<div dir="ltr">Stevan, Bernard:<div>My main concern is not with mandates, but with the repositories themselves. If memory serves me right, there was at least one unsuccessful attempt to defund the NIH-run Pubmed repository. ArXiv also had an existential crisis when run from a government lab.</div>
<div><br></div><div>The weakness of government-run repositories is that those who want to undermine these repositories have to be successful only once. Those who support these OA repositories must fend off every attack.</div>
<div><br></div><div>To immunize against this, we need a distributed approach with sufficient duplication to form an archive that is immune from any one particular weakness. This is what libraries have always done, and should continue to do.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Libraries have no role (except as advocates) in enacting and enforcing mandates, but they can be useful in implementing the mandates effectively by managing the distributed archive.</div><div><br></div>
<div>In fact, Stevan has made the same arguments against central repositories in the past. So, I think we are all on the same wave length here up to this point. </div><div><br></div><div>Where I go one step further, is in making the argument that libraries need to get out of the digital-lending business altogether and dedicate their efforts to the maintenance and development of the archive. See:</div>
<div>Where the Puck won't be <a href="http://scitechsociety.blogspot.com/2013/10/where-puck-wont-be.html">http://scitechsociety.blogspot.com/2013/10/where-puck-wont-be.html</a></div><div>and</div><div>Annealing the Library <a href="http://scitechsociety.blogspot.com/2012/04/annealing-library.html">http://scitechsociety.blogspot.com/2012/04/annealing-library.html</a></div>
<div><br></div><div>--Eric.</div><div><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div dir="ltr"><a href="http://scitechsociety.blogspot.com" target="_blank">http://scitechsociety.blogspot.com</a><br><div>Twitter: @evdvelde</div>
<div><div>E-mail: <a href="mailto:eric.f.vandevelde@gmail.com" target="_blank">eric.f.vandevelde@gmail.com</a></div></div></div></div>
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 9:52 PM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:brentier@ulg.ac.be" target="_blank">brentier@ulg.ac.be</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Libraries are definitely places where awareness occurs. They are the sentinels. However, they don't have enough power (generally) to impose Open Access as a permanent reflex with researchers.<br>
The only way researchers can be convinced is through mandatory pressure from the funders and/or the Academic authorities. And the only way mandates can be imposed is through the research assessment procedures. Everything else lingers or fails.<br>
(82% compliance with incitative mandates instead of 8% on average with 'soft' mandates).<br>
If the pressure is applied through Green OA mandates, academic freedom is fully respected. All it takes is 5 minutes (max) extra work for each new publication (usually not a daily task).<br>
Considering the benefits for the author(s), the mandate soon becomes accessory.<br>
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> Le 17 nov. 2013 ā 23:11, Bjoern Brembs <<a href="mailto:b.brembs@gmail.com">b.brembs@gmail.com</a>> a écrit :<br>
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>> On Friday, November 15, 2013, 1:09:13 AM, you wrote:<br>
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>> The political approach may be necessary to get OA<br>
>> enacted, but we need to implement OA in such a way that it<br>
>> is immune from political influence. In my book, that seems<br>
>> to be a perfect role for libraries.<br>
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> This is a serious problem with mandates: they are liable to political influence - and billions in $$$ pay for plenty of political influence, way more than we can ever dream of having.<br>
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> I thus support Eric's motion: we need to move everything in-house, away from any political influence. Libraries are the natural place for that.<br>
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> Best wishes,<br>
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> Bjoern<br>
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