<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=iso-8859-1"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><div>On 2013-11-18, at 7:06 PM, LIBLICENSE <<a href="mailto:liblicense@GMAIL.COM">liblicense@GMAIL.COM</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">From: Colin Steele <<a href="mailto:Colin.Steele@anu.edu.au">Colin.Steele@anu.edu.au</a>><br>Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2013 22:25:23 +0000<br><br>Stevan perhaps doesn't realise that the horse has bolted over the<br>alleged hurdles in some parts of the world. Open access monographs are<br>increasingly prevalent in a number of forms. Relatively few authors<br>get any or significant royalties in Australia from academic monographs<br>and publishing in open access or hybrid open access presses is<br>growing. The Australian Research Council also has included monographs<br>in its 2013 policy, although the implications of this will not be felt<br>until current research is completed around 2016 /2017. Best Colin<br></blockquote><div><br></div>No bolted horse. Book authors, just like journal article authors, have been </div><div>able to make their texts free online (OA) if they wished to ever since the advent</div><div>of the online era.</div><div><br></div><div>It's just that most don't (mostly because they are afraid of their publishers:</div><div>afraid they won't get published if they do -- or that they may even be sued).</div><div><br></div><div>But whereas both book and article authors sometimes do it of their own</div><div>accord, it is true of all journal article authors, but <i>not</i> true of all book</div><div>authors (for a variety of reasons) that all of them want to make their</div><div>texts free online (OA). </div><div><br></div><div><div>That's why Green OA self-archiving mandates are needed: to embolden</div><div>authors to make their texts OA. All article authors welcome it and most will</div><div>comply willingly. But does anyone have the faintest idea of the statistics</div><div>for book authors?</div><div><br></div><div>Exceptions do not make a rule.</div><div><br></div><div>That said, an immediate-deposit mandate with a closed-access option</div><div>fits all (acadamic) authors, whether of articles or of books.</div><div><br></div><div>Stevan Harnad</div><div><br></div></div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><br>---------------------------------------------<br>Colin Steele<br>Emeritus Fellow<br>College of Arts and Social Sciences<br>The Australian National University<br>Canberra ACT 0200 Australia<br>E: <a href="mailto:colin.steele@anu.edu.au">colin.steele@anu.edu.au</a><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br><br>On 2013-11-17, at 2:27 PM, LIBLICENSE <<a href="mailto:liblicense@GMAIL.COM">liblicense@GMAIL.COM</a>> wrote:<br><br><blockquote type="cite">From: Sandy Thatcher <<a href="mailto:sgt3@psu.edu">sgt3@psu.edu</a>><br>Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 09:02:15 -0600<br><br>Why should Green OA not apply to books if and when the authors are<br>receiving no royalty payments? What difference is there in the<br>intellectual content that justifies treating them any differently? If<br>money is not involved as a reward to authors, why should they not be<br>under the same mandate as journal article authors? It seems artificial<br>to create this digital divide between books and journals. Both<br>contribute to the advance of knowledge, and access to both is<br>important.<br></blockquote><br>One thing at a time, Sandy: Green mandates have not yet prevailed for<br>journal articles,where the case is more clearcut and exception-free.<br>(Let's not, like Stephen Leacock's fabled horseman, jump on a horse<br>"and gallop off in all directions" (articles, books, data, software,<br>Green, Gold, CC-BY.)<br><br>There is one priority, and it will usher in all the rest: mandate<br>Green for journal articles (Liège model<br>immediate-institutional-deposit, whether or not embargoed, as a<br>condition for funding, employment, evaluation).<br><br>Do that, and we'll soon have 100% OA for articles, and then all the<br>rest will follow too.<br><br>Keep running off in all directions, as we've been doing for 10 years<br>now, and we'll keep getting nowhere, fast.<br><br>A word to the wise, from the wizened...<br><br>Chrs, Stevan<br></blockquote></div><br></body></html>