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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I agree with Stevan … especially in regards the wishful thinking about librarians “getting out of the business of subscribing to journals” or that “they're ready
to go for it” <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Given the editorial participation and submissions to independent society published journals (e.g. ACS, RSC, APS, AIP, AMS, etc.), faculty members in these fields
are very likely to change anytime soon. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Biology and medicine are exceptions that are or need to be dealt with independently.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">In any event, Green OA is a very viable alterantive to what I consider the real ‘toll-access journals’ …namely those from commercial publishers.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> goal-bounces@eprints.org [mailto:goal-bounces@eprints.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Stevan Harnad<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, November 18, 2013 9:06 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)<br>
<b>Cc:</b> scholcomm@ala.org; open-access@lists.okfn.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [GOAL] Re: [Open-access] Re: Fight Publishing Lobby's Latest "FIRST" Act to Delay OA - Nth Successor to PRISM, RWA etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 11:30 AM, Bjoern Brembs <<a href="mailto:b.brembs@gmail.com" target="_blank">b.brembs@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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I am so completely and utterly on your page. This is precisely the way we need to go and every library meeting I speak at confirms this view: everyone I meet there gives me the feedback that they're ready to go for it.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The page is getting a bit crowded, and somewhat illegible!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Of course Eric, Bernard and I agree on the advantages of distributed institutional repositories over central ones (for direct deposit -- central repositories are fine for export or harvesting).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">And that agreement is not ideological but practical.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">But as for librarians getting out of the business of subscribing to journals -- that's just ideology (and completely unrealistic) as long as authors don't into the business of self-archiving their published articles in their institutional
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<p class="MsoNormal">And that's precisely what Green OA mandates are for.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Without an effective Green OA mandate, institutional repositories are useless (for OA).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Users need access, now, and if they can't have open access, they at least need as much subscription access as their institutions can afford.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">May I suggest that we clearly distinguish our practical points from those that are merely ideological desiderata and wishful thinking?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Stevan Harnad<o:p></o:p></p>
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