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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">Dear Tom,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">I expect San Dekker will have a very hard job to persuade publishers to substantially lower subscription prices.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">First: publishers see Gold OA in hybrid journals as a separate product/service having nothing to do with subscription. Please read what Wiley’s Bob Campbell
says about this (esp. his reponse to Stevan’s comment): <a href="http://exchanges.wiley.com/blog/2013/10/07/open-access-in-the-uk-will-gold-or-green-prevail/">
http://exchanges.wiley.com/blog/2013/10/07/open-access-in-the-uk-will-gold-or-green-prevail/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">Second: the Dutch article output is only 2.5% of the world’s total. Publishers will perhaps, if put under severe pressure, lower prices with 2% (in 2024 when
all dutch output has to be OA), of course offset by the next 5% price increase. People in the Netherlands who now cheer for Sander Dekker do not realize that the other 97.5% of scholarly article output is unchanged by Sander Dekker’s actions.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">And do you really believe Sander Dekker will start negotiations with T&F, Wiley, Sage, ACS, Springer, OUP, CUP & Emerald etc., apart from the Dutch publishers
Elsevier and Kluwer? He will leave that to UKB (univ. libraries’ federation) and SURF (dutch JISC) I guess. I do not see why they will have more success than in the last round of price talks.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">My main fear is that the House of Commons (Tweede Kamer) committee members talking about this on December 4<sup>th</sup> will not fully realize what is at stake
here.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">Best,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">Jeroen<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:navy">Jeroen Bosman, vakspecialist Geowetenschappen<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:navy">telefoon: 030-2536613<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:navy">bezoek: kamer 2.50, Heidelberglaan 3. Utrecht<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:navy">-------------------------EN------------------------</span></b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:navy"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:navy">Jeroen Bosman, subject librarian Geography&Geoscience<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:navy"><a href="http://www.uu.nl/library" title="http://www.uu.nl/library"><span lang="EN-US">Utrecht University Library</span></a></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:navy"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:navy"><a href="mailto:j.bosman@uu.nl" title="mailto:j.bosman@uu.nl"><span lang="EN-US">j.bosman@uu.nl</span></a></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:navy"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:navy">telephone: +31.30.2536613<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:navy">mail: Postbus 80124, 3508 TC, Utrecht, The Netherlands<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:navy">visiting address: room 2.50, Heidelberglaan 3. Utrecht<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:navy">:
<a href="http://uu.academia.edu/JeroenBosman">Academia</a> / </span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:navy"><a href="http://scholar.google.com/citations?user=-IfPy3IAAAAJ&hl=en"><span lang="EN-US">Google Scholar</span></a></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:navy">
/ <a href="http://www.isni.org/0000000028810209">ISNI</a> / <a href="http://www.mendeley.com/profiles/jeroen-bosman/">
Mendeley</a> / <a href="http://academic.research.microsoft.com/Author/51538592/jeroen-bosman">
MicrosoftAcademic</a> / <a href="http://orcid.org/0000-0001-5796-2727">ORCID</a> /
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> goal-bounces@eprints.org [mailto:goal-bounces@eprints.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Tom Olijhoek<br>
<b>Sent:</b> zondag 17 november 2013 9:33<br>
<b>To:</b> goal@eprints.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [GOAL] 1. Alert: Some coordinated action from the Big Publishing Lobby in the UK & Netherlands (Stevan Harnad)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I agree with Stephan Harnad that there is the danger of publishers trying to bend the rules for open access to their wishes and with the aid of a big political lobby they will certainly try to do so.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Nevertheless I think that the letter of mr Sander Dekker is mis interpreted in some crucial places. When he talks about grasping the opportunity where publishers are due to renew their bundled subscriptions in 2014 I interpret this as the
wish to stop this practice as off 2014 and free the subscription money from libraries for financing journal mediated open access. This is also the interpretation that Jos Engelen director of the Dutch organization for scientific research gives in the same
article in the volkskrant.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">And what would be wrong with all publishers adopting open access ,financing their businesses wit money that is freed because of canceled subscriptions?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I think we should fight the risk of publishers taking open access as a means to increase their incomes by adamantly refusing to accept any embargoes, not for journals and not for repositories. That is the big mistake that was made ,allowing
these embargo periods in the first place<o:p></o:p></p>
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