<div dir="ltr">On 13 October 2013 20:53, Stevan Harnad <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:amsciforum@gmail.com" target="_blank">amsciforum@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">
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<div>It would be nice if we could all agree to stop conflating OA with Gold OA!</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>It would be nice if we could all agree to stop conflating Green with OA. <a href="http://legacy.earlham.edu/~peters/fos/boaifaq.htm#openaccess" target="_blank">http://legacy.earlham.edu/~peters/fos/boaifaq.htm#openaccess</a></div>
<div><br></div>"free availability on the public internet, permitting any users to read, download, copy, distribute, print, search, or link to the full texts of these articles, crawl them for indexing, pass them as data to software, or use them for any other lawful purpose, without financial, legal, or technical barriers other than those inseparable from gaining access to the internet itself"</div>
<div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">Public access *is* important - it just shouldn't be conflated, imho.</div><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">But different strokes...</div>
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<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div>It would also be good to distinguish pay-to-publish Gold OA from non-pay-to-publish Gold OA, though it has to be admitted that the Gold OA journals that most of the controversy (not just Junk, but Finch) is about are the pay-to-publish Gold OA journals, whether junk or not.</div>
</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Fewer than half of the pay-to-publish journals listed by DOAJ accepted the article.</div><div>Almost all of the known / suspected questionable journals listed by Beall accepted the article.</div>
<div><br></div><div>So it has nothing to do with being pay-to-publish Gold OA. If you submit to a known/suspected questionable journal, you are very, very likely to get a questionable outcome.</div><div><br></div><div>For everything else, your experience will vary.</div>
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