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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=543305519-05102013><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial>Heather, if you look back over the thread you
will see that I was responding to Dana Roth's posting about the
variability of Hindawi's APCs. Nothing else</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2 face=Arial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=543305519-05102013><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial>Sally</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV align=left><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Sally Morris</FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=left><FONT size=2 face=Arial>South House, The Street, Clapham,
Worthing, West Sussex, UK BN13 3UU</FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=left><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Tel: +44 (0)1903
871286</FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=left><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Email:
sally@morris-assocs.demon.co.uk</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV><BR>
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<FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><B>From:</B> goal-bounces@eprints.org
[mailto:goal-bounces@eprints.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Heather
Morrison<BR><B>Sent:</B> 05 October 2013 19:51<BR><B>To:</B> Global Open Access
List (Successor of AmSci)<BR><B>Cc:</B> Global Open Access List (Successor of
AmSci)<BR><B>Subject:</B> [GOAL] Re: Scholars jobs not publisher
profits<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto">Sally,</DIV>
<DIV style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto"><BR></DIV>
<DIV style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto">As noted in my introductory blogpost
on this topic, my comments are on the high cost of subscriptions and the 5-7%
price increases as projected by EBSCO: </DIV>
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href="http://www2.ebsco.com/EN-US/NEWSCENTER/Pages/ViewArticle.aspx?QSID=600">http://www2.ebsco.com/EN-US/NEWSCENTER/Pages/ViewArticle.aspx?QSID=600</A></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 15px; FONT-FAMILY: '.HelveticaNeueUI'; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; LINE-HEIGHT: 19px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: none; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469)"><BR></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=.HelveticaNeueUI><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 15px; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; LINE-HEIGHT: 19px; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469)">The
only place where OA article processing fees fit into this picture is with hybrid
journals / publishers. If the market were working, overall subscription prices
should be decreasing, not increasing, to reflect the new revenue
stream.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=.HelveticaNeueUI><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 15px; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; LINE-HEIGHT: 19px; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469)"><BR></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=.HelveticaNeueUI><SPAN
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other words, this is further evidence of ongoing market
dysfunction.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 15px; FONT-FAMILY: '.HelveticaNeueUI'; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; LINE-HEIGHT: 19px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: none; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469)">In
a separate thread, I am beginning a research project to track developments with
OA article processing fees. To avoid confusion it might be best to keep these
threads separate.</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto"><BR>On 2013-10-05, at 2:21 PM,
"Sally Morris" <<A
href="mailto:sally@morris-assocs.demon.co.uk">sally@morris-assocs.demon.co.uk</A>>
wrote:<BR><BR></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=182320918-05102013><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial>Dear Heather</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=182320918-05102013><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=182320918-05102013><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial>The point I was trying to make is that - unlike with
subscriptions - there is a direct connection between the person who benefits
from the value offered (the author) and the publisher. Thus the
marketplace should operate normally. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=182320918-05102013><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=182320918-05102013><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial>'Profits' are not in themselves bad - they are what
businesses (including nonprofits) need to keep going</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=182320918-05102013><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=182320918-05102013><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial>Sally</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=182320918-05102013><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV align=left><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Sally Morris</FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=left><FONT size=2 face=Arial>South House, The Street, Clapham,
Worthing, West Sussex, UK BN13 3UU</FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=left><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Tel: +44 (0)1903
871286</FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=left><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Email: <A
href="mailto:sally@morris-assocs.demon.co.uk">sally@morris-assocs.demon.co.uk</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV><BR>
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<FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><B>From:</B> <A
href="mailto:goal-bounces@eprints.org">goal-bounces@eprints.org</A> [<A
href="mailto:goal-bounces@eprints.org">mailto:goal-bounces@eprints.org</A>]
<B>On Behalf Of </B>Heather Morrison<BR><B>Sent:</B> 05 October 2013
17:48<BR><B>To:</B> Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)<BR><B>Cc:</B>
Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)<BR><B>Subject:</B> [GOAL] Re:
Scholars jobs not publisher profits<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>There's nothing odd about companies wanting to profit off of the work of
others. What is unusual about scholarly publishing is that the costs are not
connected with the impact of the costs in an obvious way.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>For example it would be most surprising if, at the University of Alberta,
discussions about the deep cuts and the need to cut academic programs and jobs
occurred at the same meetings where people at the university need to figure
out how to pay even more for the big deals of publishers already enjoying
30-40% profit margins in an inelastic market where the deep cuts to their
authors, reviewers, and customers have no impact on their bottom line.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>The situation for universities today really is difficult. That is why I
am working to help us all connect the dots. If a university is looking for
voluntary severance from faculty members while at the same time paying even
more above inflationary cost increases to publishers with high profit margins,
that is wrong and needs to stop.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Many not-for-profit publishers never did gouge universities. At one time,
Sally, you were the Executive Director of the Association of Learned and
Professional Society Publishers, and represented the interests of this
group. </DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>best,</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Heather Morrison</DIV>
<DIV><BR>On 2013-10-05, at 11:25 AM, "Sally Morris" <<A
href="mailto:sally@morris-assocs.demon.co.uk">sally@morris-assocs.demon.co.uk</A>>
wrote:<BR><BR></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=968011015-05102013><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial>Many of you have argued that Gold OA - at last - creates a
genuine marketplace between publishers and authors. In any
marketplace, sellers price according to what they consider their offer is
worth to buyers. Some journals are worth more than others to authors
(indeed, publishers generally follow this principle when pricing
subscriptions - I don't know of any publishers who price all their
subscription journals the same). So what's odd about
it?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=968011015-05102013><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=968011015-05102013><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial>Sally</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV align=left><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Sally Morris</FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=left><FONT size=2 face=Arial>South House, The Street, Clapham,
Worthing, West Sussex, UK BN13 3UU</FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=left><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Tel: +44 (0)1903
871286</FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=left><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Email: <A
href="mailto:sally@morris-assocs.demon.co.uk">sally@morris-assocs.demon.co.uk</A></FONT></DIV>
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<FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><B>From:</B> <A
href="mailto:goal-bounces@eprints.org">goal-bounces@eprints.org</A> [<A
href="mailto:goal-bounces@eprints.org">mailto:goal-bounces@eprints.org</A>]
<B>On Behalf Of </B>Dana Roth<BR><B>Sent:</B> 04 October 2013
20:00<BR><B>To:</B> 'Global Open Access List (Successor of
AmSci)'<BR><B>Subject:</B> [GOAL] Re: Scholars jobs not publisher
profits<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d">In
defense of Jeffrey Beall … the extreme variability of Hindawi’s APCs is, at
the least, interesting … <O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d">especially
the large number of ‘free’ and relatively low priced APCs for many of their
journals.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
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href="http://www.hindawi.com/apc/">http://www.hindawi.com/apc/</A><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> <A
href="mailto:goal-bounces@eprints.org">goal-bounces@eprints.org</A> [<A
href="mailto:goal-bounces@eprints.org">mailto:goal-bounces@eprints.org</A>]
<B>On Behalf Of </B>David Prosser<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, October 04, 2013
1:27 AM<BR><B>To:</B> Global Open Access List (Successor of
AmSci)<BR><B>Subject:</B> [GOAL] Re: Scholars jobs not publisher
profits<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><O:P></O:P></P>
<P class=MsoNormal>Jeffrey<O:P></O:P></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal>"Ignoratio elenchi"? That's from Harry Potter, right?
Spell meaning 'facts be gone'?<O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Heather is interested in the flow of money out of
academia. If that is your area of interest then the profit margins of
large commercial, legacy publishers are clearly of more interest than the
profit margins of other players. From the figures I quote (from your
blog), Hindawi takes $300 of profit from each paper it publishers.
A large commercial, legacy publisher takes about $1200*.
From where I sit (and I admit my knowledge of economics is almost as
bad as that of Latin) it is clear that $1200 per paper is a significantly
larger amount than $300 per paper and there is no way the figures back up
your contention that 'It appears that the money is just moving from one set
of publishers to another.'<O:P></O:P></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal>David<O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Helvetica','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">*My
conservative guess - happy to have people with access to the figures correct
this. It's basically 30% of $4000<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>On 3 Oct 2013, at 23:04, Beall, Jeffrey
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Consolas; COLOR: #44546a">Thank you for
your<SPAN class=apple-converted-space> </SPAN><I>ignoratio
elenchi.</I></SPAN><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
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higher than Elsevier’s. So, I am correct in assuming that you include
Hindawi in your advice below, no? Also, it’s been revealed that a number
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<P class=MsoNormal>-- <BR>Dr. Heather Morrison<BR>Assistant
Professor<BR>École des sciences de l'information / School of Information
Studies<BR>University of Ottawa<BR><BR><A
href="http://www.sis.uottawa.ca/faculty/hmorrison.html">http://www.sis.uottawa.ca/faculty/hmorrison.html</A><BR><A
href="mailto:Heather.Morrison@uottawa.ca">Heather.Morrison@uottawa.ca</A><BR><BR>ALA
Accreditation site visit scheduled for 30 Sept-1 Oct 2013 /<BR>Visite du
comité externe pour l'accréditation par l'ALA est prévu le 30<BR>sept-1
oct 2013<BR><BR><A
href="http://www.sis.uottawa.ca/accreditation.html">http://www.sis.uottawa.ca/accreditation.html</A><BR><A
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