<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra">On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 4:31 PM, Graham Triggs <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:grahamtriggs@gmail.com" target="_blank">grahamtriggs@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:</div><div class="gmail_extra">
<br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div>In an author-pays model, the author is paying in part for the peer-review, editing, </div>
</div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div>production, distribution - which are all replicable and comparable services between </div>
</div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div>publishers, and in part the reputation of the journal they are being published in</div>
</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div style>That's with pre-Green Fool's Gold.</div><div style><br></div><div style>But with post-Green Fair Gold, the production and distribution and their costs are gone</div>
<div style>-- offloaded onto the global network of Green OA IRs. And the peer review costs are paid</div><div style>for as a service (most sensibly, a no-fault service for the review, regardless of outcome).</div><div style>
<br></div><div style>And the reason you choose to be reviewed first by this journal is because of its</div><div style>track-record for quality (as reflected in its title). No extra charge.</div><div style><br></div><div style>
The editorial function of evaluating the submission, picking referees, and adjudicating</div><div style>the referee reports and revision is part of the peer review service. (There's not much</div><div style>else going on by way of editing and copy-editing any more anyway, with journals, </div>
<div style>hence nothing worth paying for.)</div><div style><br></div><div style>Pre-Green Fool's Gold, with all that other stuff bundled in, can cost from $1000-$5000+</div><div style>per accepted articles.</div><div style>
<br></div><div style>My guess is that post-Green Fair Gold should cost around $200 per round of no-fault</div><div style>refereeing (because the costs of rejected or multiply revised and re-refereed papers</div><div style>
will not have to be borne by the accepted papers only).</div><div style><br></div><div style>The other downsides of pre-Green Fool's Gold (besides the price and needless</div><div style>extra products and services and their costs) are that it has to be double-paid</div>
<div style>by institutions (which must continue to subscribe to their must-have non-OA</div><div style>journals for their incoming content, and then pay Fool's Gold OA fees on top</div><div style>of that, for their outgoing content). If it's hybrid Fool's Gold, then their payments </div>
<div style>may even be double-dipped.</div><div style><br></div><div style>Pre-Green Fool's Gold also has to be paid out of scarce funds at a time when</div><div style>research itself is underfunded and library serials budgets are over-stretched.</div>
<div style><br></div><div style>The much lower cost of post-Green Fair Gold (for peer review) will be single-paid</div><div style>out of a fraction of the institutional windfall subscription cancellation savings.</div><div style>
And it will all be fair, affordable, scaleable and sustainable.</div><div style><br></div><div style>I can keep on repeating this as often it takes, until people begin to understand</div><div style>why it is premature and profligate to pay pre-emptively for pre-Green Gold. -- </div>
<div style>I've done it with other things before (such as the need for Green OA, Green OA </div><div style>mandates, Immediate Deposit, the Button, and the link to research evaluation)...</div><div style><br></div><div style>
Stevan Harnad</div><div style><br></div></div></div></div>