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<div>Good points, Ellen. One to add, inspired by Rick: high-cost journals tend to be part of big deals. Even if a library did all this work to identify journals with free content, publishers would not decrease the cost of the big deal and if libraries try
to cancel the big deal, Rick's experience shows that publishers simply charge more for other journals that cannot be cancelled.</div>
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<div>In other words, there are solid reasons why green OA does not result in library cancellations.</div>
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On 2013-09-17, at 10:43 AM, "Ellen Finnie Duranceau" <<a href="mailto:efinnie@mit.edu">efinnie@mit.edu</a>> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">With this debate underway, I’ve been trying to picture a reasonable workflow that would assess the rate of immediate green OA via publisher’s self-archiving
policy and use it effectively in a collections process. I have been unable to come up with any scenario that seems solid enough to even experiment with, let alone deploy, in a research library.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">For this exercise, I’m leaving aside any broader goals of wider distribution of publicly funded research, etc., or any philosophical factors, and am just focusing
on providing sufficient service to one’s own community.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">First, we have the problem that a wide sampling from any given journal would be required, since author practices in self-archiving vary. This sampling would
also have to be repeated regularly, and take in several sample years, since practices will vary over time.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Whoever performs this sampling would also have to be trained in recognizing the version of articles, since presumably one wants the peer-reviewed version available
to one’s faculty and researchers and students. This would require, in many cases, comparing the manuscript with the version of record (which, please note, is only available to you if you subscribe).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">After all the sampling is done and a spreadsheet created, one would then have to calculate what percentage of the journal was openly available (and whether
that percentage was acceptable – this would have to be a very high number, presumably), and after what time period. This would not be an easy feat, as one has to have numbers representing the total number of articles in order to make the comparison, and as
far as I’m aware, this would involve manually tabulating the number of articles in each issue (again possibly through sampling). Then this information would have to be used in conjunction with other important data such as usage level, faculty interest and
feedback, cost, etc. (Let’s leave aside for the moment that this whole approach would only be responsible if one had buy-in from the community one is serving.)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">If the decision were taken to cancel the journal, assuming here that the decision rested in part on the availability of OA manuscripts, then one would also
have to have a cycle of returning to those titles to be sure a certain acceptable percentage was still available. This would be necessary because author practices vary and there is no reason at all to assume that because for one year, a good percentage of
a journal was OA, that will be true the next year. So perhaps a continuous sampling would be required. We are now talking about a dramatic impact on staff resources, so some other work would need to be stopped or slowed.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Then, if one wants to continue to sample post cancellation, as would seem to be necessary, in many cases one would need the version of record to compare with,
to be sure one is looking at the peer-reviewed version. Yet this version would not be available once the cancellation had taken place. So staff would be operating without solid information in future sampling, as it can be difficult to tell a preprint from
a postprint without the version of record as a comparison point.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Now we add in the practical reality that if any number of libraries followed this labor-intensive workflow and reassigned staff from other tasks to do it, within
a year or two, the publishers would simply change their green OA policy for authors, removing it entirely or adding an embargo.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">So then the library has the problem of having to track these publisher policy changes --- that in itself would require a labor-intensive workflow I won’t try
to lay out, as there is no reliable and targeted signaling process for such changes—and then resubscribe. That could be tricky, as possibly the necessary funds would have already been diverted. Even if funds were available, it would be exceedingly labor
intensive to resubscribe and decide about and act upon filling any gaps in access, which could create confusion if left as gaps, as well as updating relevant metadata so useful services like SFX linking. Perhaps one would fill the gaps/restore the access
via pay-per-view, but now we are talking about having to do another analysis about whether that is cost-effective.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">(Let’s also recall that while the journals were cancelled, SFX buttons weren’t taking users from finding resources like Compendex, Inspec, Web of Knowledge,
etc. to journal articles. Known article searches may have been functioning, but index-based searching that links to the actual documents to assist those new to a topic area would have been limited to subscribed titles.)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">When looking at how to operate in this evolving ecosystem, I imagine we all agree it’s important to use funds and staff resources wisely, and to look beyond
a quarter or a year in thinking about the impacts of decisions. Without considering any philosophical or social goals (no matter how mission-relevant, or noble), and looking just at the practical need of providing key research articles to a community, I
do not see a viable workflow that seems worth testing even on a trial basis.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">This is probably part of the reason you do not hear about libraries cancelling journals based on availability of OA manuscripts. I would also guess that if
the numbers were run, there would not be any journals to cancel, as author practices in this area are not consistent.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Ellen Duranceau<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Ellen Finnie Duranceau<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
<a href="mailto:goal-bounces@eprints.org">goal-bounces@eprints.org</a> [<a href="mailto:goal-bounces@eprints.org">mailto:goal-bounces@eprints.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Heather Morrison<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 16, 2013 5:13 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Stevan Harnad<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Friend, Fred; LibLicense-L Discussion Forum; SPARC Open Access Forum; Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci); Rick Anderson<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [GOAL] Re: [sparc-oaforum] Re: Cancelling because contents are Green OA vs. because publisher allows Green OA<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Librarians are a much more collaborative profession than most, but librarians do not all share the same opinions or work in the same environments.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">At most academic libraries, librarians do not have the ability to unilaterally cancel journals. If librarians did have this power, some of the "big deal" publishers might have disappeared a long time ago. Physics journals have not experienced
cancellations in spite of near 100% self-archiving in arXiv because physicists value their journals and will not allow their libraries to cancel.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Rick Anderson's approach to actively seek OA material in order to cancel is unique, in my opinion. Even other librarians with a similar philosophy are unlikely to undertake the work to figure out what percentage is free, or risk the wrath
of faculty members who value their journals and/or do not wish to do the extra work of searching in repositories. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">It would be interesting to see how much money Rick's library would save, and compare this with how much they could save by cancelling a single big deal with a high-cost publisher.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">best,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 2013-09-16, at 5:06 PM, Stevan Harnad <<a href="mailto:amsciforum@gmail.com">amsciforum@gmail.com</a>><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The library community has to make up its own mind whether it is OA's friend or foe. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">(1) Cancelling journals when all or most of their contents have become Green OA is rational and constructive -- but we're nowhere near there; and whether and when we get there is partly contingent on (2):<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">(2) Cancelling (or even announcing the intention to cancel) journals because they allow Green OA is irrational, extremely short-sighted, and extremely destructive (to OA) as well as self-destructive (to libraries).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">But I already have enough to do trying to get institutions and funders to adopt rational and constructive OA mandates that researchers can and will comply with. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">If libraries are not allies in this, so be it; we already have publishers whose interests conflict with those of OA. If it's to be the same with libraries, it's better we know it sooner rather than later.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I suspect, however, that there might be a portion of the library community that would be strongly opposed to cancelling journals because they are Green, and precisely for the reasons I have mentioned.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 4:05 PM, Rick Anderson <<a href="mailto:rick.anderson@utah.edu" target="_blank">rick.anderson@utah.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Is it possible that what you really intend to do is suggest that just because a publisher allows all articles to be archived Green doesn't mean that the articles are actually
available that way, and that it might be dangerous for a library to cancel in a knee-jerk way when a publisher makes that allowance?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">See how easy that was? Here's how I would respond to that suggestion:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Yes, you raise a valid point. Just because a publisher allows complete and unembargoed Green OA archiving of a journal doesn't mean that all of the journal's content will
end up being archived. So I would adjust the categorical statement I made in my original posting thus: "My library will cancel our subscriptions to any such journal, once we have determined that a sufficient percentage of its content is being made publicly
available promptly and at no charge — promptness being assessed on a sliding scale relative to the journal's relevance to our needs."<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Obviously, this will be relatively easy to do for new Green journals or for journals that make the shift in the future. As for existing Green-without-embargo journals, I'm
currently discussing with my collection development staff how we might cost-effectively review the list of Green-without-embargo journal publishers found at <a href="http://bit.ly/1aOetHB" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/1aOetHB</a> and see which of their journals
we currently subscribe to, and which of these we might be able to cancel. This would be a relatively time-intensive project, but we have students working at service desks in my library who could probably help.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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is freely available online. (It matters, of course, what percentage of the content really becomes available that way, and how quickly it will become available. But the more its content is free and the faster it gets that way, the less incentive there is for
anyone, including libraries, to pay for access to it. And the tighter a library's budget, the more sensitive its cancellation response will be to the Green-without-embargo signal.)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Green publishers to stop being Green and instead adopt and Green OA embargoes.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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about reality is ultimately much more counterproductive than figuring out how to deal with it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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that brings the maximum possible benefit to the world. Deciding up front that OA is the only road to such an environment has two seriously debilitating effects: first, it makes the questioning of OA, or even of specific OA strategies, into a thoughtcrime
(as we've seen here today), and second, it precludes the consideration of other, possibly promising options. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Why on earth would scholars look to those that can't or won't discuss these issues in a rational, reasonably objective way for guidance on how to conduct their own scholarly
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