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<div>Librarians are a much more collaborative profession than most, but librarians do not all share the same opinions or work in the same environments.</div>
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<div>At most academic libraries, librarians do not have the ability to unilaterally cancel journals. If librarians did have this power, some of the "big deal" publishers might have disappeared a long time ago. Physics journals have not experienced cancellations
in spite of near 100% self-archiving in arXiv because physicists value their journals and will not allow their libraries to cancel.</div>
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<div>Rick Anderson's approach to actively seek OA material in order to cancel is unique, in my opinion. Even other librarians with a similar philosophy are unlikely to undertake the work to figure out what percentage is free, or risk the wrath of faculty members
who value their journals and/or do not wish to do the extra work of searching in repositories. </div>
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<div>It would be interesting to see how much money Rick's library would save, and compare this with how much they could save by cancelling a single big deal with a high-cost publisher.</div>
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<div>On 2013-09-16, at 5:06 PM, Stevan Harnad <<a href="mailto:amsciforum@gmail.com">amsciforum@gmail.com</a>></div>
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<div>The library community has to make up its own mind whether it is OA's friend or foe. </div>
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<div>(1) Cancelling journals when all or most of their contents have become Green OA is rational and constructive -- but we're nowhere near there; and whether and when we get there is partly contingent on (2):</div>
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<div>(2) Cancelling (or even announcing the intention to cancel) journals because they allow Green OA is irrational, extremely short-sighted, and extremely destructive (to OA) as well as self-destructive (to libraries).</div>
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<div>But I already have enough to do trying to get institutions and funders to adopt rational and constructive OA mandates that researchers can and will comply with. </div>
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<div>If libraries are not allies in this, so be it; we already have publishers whose interests conflict with those of OA. If it's to be the same with libraries, it's better we know it sooner rather than later.</div>
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<div>I suspect, however, that there might be a portion of the library community that would be strongly opposed to cancelling journals because they are Green, and precisely for the reasons I have mentioned.</div>
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<div class="gmail_extra"> Is it possible that what you really intend to do is suggest that just because a publisher allows all articles to be archived Green doesn't mean that the articles are actually available that way, and that it might be dangerous for
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<div>Yes.</div>
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<div>See how easy that was? Here's how I would respond to that suggestion:</div>
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<div>Yes, you raise a valid point. Just because a publisher allows complete and unembargoed Green OA archiving of a journal doesn't mean that all of the journal's content will end up being archived. So I would adjust the categorical statement I made in my original
posting thus: "My library will cancel our subscriptions to any such journal, once we have determined that a sufficient percentage of its content is being made publicly available promptly and at no charge — promptness being assessed on a sliding scale relative
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<div>Obviously, this will be relatively easy to do for new Green journals or for journals that make the shift in the future. As for existing Green-without-embargo journals, I'm currently discussing with my collection development staff how we might cost-effectively
review the list of Green-without-embargo journal publishers found at <a href="http://bit.ly/1aOetHB" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/1aOetHB</a> and see which of their journals we currently subscribe to, and which of these we might be able to cancel. This would
be a relatively time-intensive project, but we have students working at service desks in my library who could probably help.</div>
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<div>If you see a problem with the explanation I laid out, please say what the problem is </div>
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<div>I did (and you've just repeated part of what I said above..</div>
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<div>Here it is again:</div>
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<div>1. 60% of journals are Green </div>
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<div>2. No evidence that more articles from Green journals are made Green OA than articles from non-Green journals</div>
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<div>3. Cancelling (needed) journals because they are Green rather than because they are accessible or unaffordable is arbitrary and counterproductive (for user needs).</div>
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<div>4. Cancelling journals because they are Green rather than because they are either unneeded or unaffordable is arbitrary and counterproductive for OA.</div>
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<div>Depending on what our goals are, reality can sometimes be counterproductive. It's a reality that a subscription is less needed when the content of the journal in question is freely available online. (It matters, of course, what percentage of the content
really becomes available that way, and how quickly it will become available. But the more its content is free and the faster it gets that way, the less incentive there is for anyone, including libraries, to pay for access to it. And the tighter a library's
budget, the more sensitive its cancellation response will be to the Green-without-embargo signal.)</div>
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<div>5. Publicly announcing (as you did) that journals are to be cancelled because they are Green rather than because they are either unneeded or unaffordable is certain to induce Green publishers to stop being Green and instead adopt and Green OA embargoes.</div>
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<div>Discussing reality may not always help to advance an OA agenda (or any other agenda, for that matter), but eventually reality will always win. Scolding people for talking about reality is ultimately much more counterproductive than figuring out how to
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<div>6. Library cancellation of Green journals will slow the growth of OA, thereby compounding the disservice that such an unthinking (sic) policy does both to users and to OA.</div>
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<div>It doesn't seem to me that OA is something to which we owe allegiance. It seems to me that our goal should be a healthy, vital, and sustainable scholarly communication environment that brings the maximum possible benefit to the world. Deciding up front
that OA is the only road to such an environment has two seriously debilitating effects: first, it makes the questioning of OA, or even of specific OA strategies, into a thoughtcrime (as we've seen here today), and second, it precludes the consideration of
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<div>Why on earth would scholars look to those that can't or won't discuss these issues in a rational, reasonably objective way for guidance on how to conduct their own scholarly communication?</div>
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