<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><blockquote type="cite">From: Joseph Esposito <br><br>Harnad writes that "a minority [of publishers] want a one-year<br>embargo." I doubt that that is true. Most publishers are trying to<br>accommodate the needs and interests of funding agencies, society<br>members, librarians, and the general public. I doubt very much that<br>many publishers are happy with only a one-year embargo. Policies of<br>this kind represent difficult compromises. <br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I didn't say they <i>liked</i> a 1-year embargo. Perhaps in place of "want,"</div><div>which is ambiguous, I should have said ""a minority [of publishers] </div><div><i>demand</i> a one-year embargo." The majority of publishers do not</div><div>demand any embargo at all. (I don't doubt that among those that do,</div><div>some would prefer a longer one…)</div><div><br></div><div>Stevan Harnad</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><br>On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 8:13 AM, LIBLICENSE <<a href="mailto:liblicense@gmail.com">liblicense@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite"><br>From: Stevan Harnad <<a href="mailto:amsciforum@gmail.com">amsciforum@gmail.com</a>><br>Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 10:34:28 -0400<br><br>On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 on Liblicense, LIBLICENSE Ari Belenkiy wrote:<br><br><blockquote type="cite">First, by definition, the Green OA is "a deposit of PRE-peer-reviewed article on author's website".<br></blockquote><br>Incorrect. By definition Green OA is immediate, permanent toll-free<br>online access to the post-peer-reviewed "postprint", provided by the<br>author (on any website, institutional or central).<br><br><blockquote type="cite">The only way publishers can agree on this is for a back payment - this appears to be made by</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">institutions and not by the authors (a version of the Gold OA).<br></blockquote><br>Nothing of the sort. The majority of journals endorse immediate,<br>unembargoed Green OA.<br><br>A minority want a 1-year embargo.<br><br>The solution is to mandate immediate deposit of all articles; authors<br>can then provide immediate Green OA for the majority, and<br>Button-mediated "Almost OA" during the embargo for the embargoed<br>minority.<br><br>No payment for any of this. Publication is already paid for via<br>subscriptions, for subscription journals. And Gold OA payments have<br>nothing whatsoever to do with any of this.<br><br><blockquote type="cite">Am I right? Then who in the institution will decide for which submission<br>to pay and for which not?<br></blockquote><br>You are wrong. You are conflating preprint and postprint, Green OA and<br>Gold OA. I suggest doing a little background reading on basic concepts<br>and developments in OA. There's not much, and you will understand it<br>quickly once you read about it. But just going by the words in<br>postings, and their free associations with what one thinks they might<br>mean will not get one anywhere. You might start with the<br>self-archiving FAQ.<br><br>Stevan Harnad<br></blockquote></blockquote></div><br></body></html>