<div dir="ltr">Your position is indefensible, Professor Harnad. Ad hominem arguments have no place in this discussion.<div><br></div><div>Joe Esposito</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 2:06 PM, Stevan Harnad <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:amsciforum@gmail.com" target="_blank">amsciforum@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 10:43 AM, Joseph Esposito <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:espositoj@gmail.com" target="_blank">espositoj@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<div>
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<div dir="ltr">I don't know Wojick personally, but I must say that this sounds like an ad hominem attack. I have no idea what "a publishing interest lobbyist" is or whether Wojick belongs to that tribe, but even lobbyists should be engaged on the level of ideas.<br>
</div></blockquote><div><br></div><p style="margin:0px;font-size:12px;font-family:Helvetica">1. I don't know Wojick personally either.</p>
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<p style="margin:0px;font-size:12px;font-family:Helvetica">2. There is a profound conflict of interest between the publishing industry and the research community insofar as OA is concerned.</p>
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<p style="margin:0px;font-size:12px;font-family:Helvetica">3. Hence interests are most definitely relevant. </p>
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<p style="margin:0px;font-size:12px;font-family:Helvetica">4. As I said in the exchanges I posted, Wojick sounds (to me) very much like a publishing interest lobbyist, but readers will have to judge for themselves.</p>
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<p style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Helvetica"><span style="font-size:12px">5. It came as a surprise to me to find (after the exchange) that the <a href="http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=David_E._Wojick" target="_blank">Center for Media and Democracy Sourcewatch</a> indicates that Wojick is </span>listed among the "Allied Experts" of the energy industry lobbyists-controlled <a href="http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Natural_Resources_Stewardship_Project" target="_blank"><span style="color:#0645ad">Natural Resources Stewardship Project</span></a>, with the implication that he might have been a coal industry lobbyist.</p>
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<p style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Helvetica">6. But I agree completely with Joseph Esposito that this exchange can and should be evaluated "on the level of the ideas." (Did you read any further than the paragraph introducing Wojick, Joseph?)</p>
<p style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Helvetica"><br></p><p style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Helvetica">Stevan Harnad</p><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 10:37 AM, Stevan Harnad <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:amsciforum@gmail.com" target="_blank">amsciforum@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:13px;font-family:verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> </span><a href="http://scholarlykitchen.sspnet.org/about/" style="color:rgb(0,51,102);font-size:13px;font-family:verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif" target="_blank">David Wojick</a><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:13px;font-family:verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> works part time as the Senior Consultant for Innovation at </span><a href="http://www.osti.gov/home/" style="color:rgb(0,51,102);font-size:13px;font-family:verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif" target="_blank">OSTI</a><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:13px;font-family:verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif">, the Office of Scientific and Technical Information, in the Office of Science of the US Department of Energy. He has a PhD in logic and philosophy of science, an MA in mathematical logic, and a BS in civil engineering. In the exchanges below, he sounds [to me] very much like a publishing interest lobbyist, but judge for yourself. He also turns out to have a rather curious [and to me surprising] </span><a href="http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=David_E._Wojick" style="font-size:13px;font-family:verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif" target="_blank">history in environmental matters</a><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:13px;font-family:verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif">…</span><div>
<span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:13px;font-family:verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:13px;font-family:verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Dialogue archived at: </span><a href="http://openaccess.eprints.org/index.php?/archives/1027-.html" target="_blank">http://openaccess.eprints.org/index.php?/archives/1027-.html</a></div>
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