On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 12:44 PM, Dana Roth <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dzrlib@library.caltech.edu" target="_blank">dzrlib@library.caltech.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I generally agree with Stevan … and think the key point here is blatant nature of commercial “</span>publishers trying to protect their current revenue streams”.
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<p class="MsoNormal">I do, however, appreciate the needs of non-profit major society publishers, in order to maintain the quality of their journals, to establish reasonable article charges for OA.</p></div></div></blockquote>
<div><br></div><div>There is absolutely no difference between for-profit and non-profit journal publishers insofar as the true essential costs of post-Green publishing are concerned.</div><div><br></div><div>They all co-bundle obsolete and obsolescent Gutenberg-era costs today, pre-Green (such as the print edition, the online edition, markup, access provision, archiving, fulfillment, advertising).</div>
<div><br></div><div>Globally mandated Green OA can and should force all of them to phase out the inessential products and services, and their costs.</div><div><br></div><div>But insofar as learned society publishers are concerned: The only thing that matters now is that they should be fully Green, endorsing their authors' right to provide immediate, un-embargoed Green OA.</div>
<div><br></div><div>If they do that, they are on the side of the angels, insofar as OA is concerned.</div><div><br></div><div>If they embargo Green, they are no better than their for-profit fellow publishers. (And their "good works" -- subsidizing meetings, scholarships and lobbying -- is certainly no justification for embargoing Green: they are in fact subsidizing these "good works" out of their users' lost usage and their authors' lost impact, and holding back universal OA.)</div>
<div><br></div><div>Post-Green, learned society publishers will downsize to Fair-Gold like all other publishers. That will be -- and need be -- no bigger or smaller for them.</div><div><br></div><div>Stevan Harnad</div></div>