<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">I'm sorry Stevan, but they have not answered all the questions in a single sentence - they have attached a large number of conditions to that sentence. The full answer only comes from reading the entire policy. 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<br><div><div>On 3 May 2013, at 21:58, Stevan Harnad wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><font face="Arial"><br></font><div><div><font face="Arial">On 2013-05-03, at 10:53 AM, Couture Marc <<a href="mailto:marc.couture@teluq.ca">marc.couture@teluq.ca</a>> wrote:</font></div><font face="Arial"><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></font><blockquote type="cite"><font face="Arial">I strongly support the advice to ignore altogether all these extra and confusing conditions.<br><br>Let's ask Elsevier the question in our own terms:</font></blockquote></div><blockquote style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><div><blockquote type="cite"><font face="Arial">1. Do you, YES or NO, allow posting of author manuscripts?</font></blockquote></div><div><blockquote type="cite"><font face="Arial">2. If YES:</font></blockquote></div><div><blockquote type="cite"><font face="Arial">a) Which version can be posted: preprint, postprint, publisher-formated?</font></blockquote></div><div><blockquote type="cite"><font face="Arial">b) Where can it be posted: author's or institution's website, repository (institutional or centralized)?</font></blockquote></div><div><blockquote type="cite"><font face="Arial">c) When can it be posted: upon acceptance, after an embargo period (for all or some journals)?</font></blockquote></div></blockquote><div><blockquote type="cite"><font face="Arial">and accept only answers to that question.<br></font></blockquote></div><font face="Arial"><br></font><div><font face="Arial">But Elsevier has already answered each of these questions in one single sentence:</font></div><div><font face="Arial"><br></font></div><div><div class="gmail_quote"></div><font face="Arial"></font></div><blockquote style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><div><div style="margin: 0px; "><font face="Arial"><span style="color: #4787ff"><b>"<a href="http://www.elsevier.com/about/open-access/open-access-policies/article-posting-policy#accepted-author-manuscript">Accepted author manuscripts (AAM</a>)</b></span></font>: Immediate posting and dissemination of AAM’s </div></div><div><div style="margin: 0px; "><font face="Arial">is allowed </font><span style="font-family: Arial; ">to personal websites, to institutional repositories, or to arXiv." </span></div></div></blockquote><div><div style="margin: 0px; "><br></div><div style="margin: 0px; "><font face="Arial">What follows that sentence is a piece of gibberish that has nothing to do with the author, nor with an </font></div><div style="margin: 0px; "><font face="Arial">author/publisher </font><span style="font-family: Arial; ">rights agreement:</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; "><font face="Arial"><br></font></div></div><blockquote style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><div><div style="margin: 0px; "><font face="Arial">"However, if your institution has an open access policy or mandate that requires you to post, Elsevier </font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0px; "><font face="Arial">requires an agreement to be in place </font>- [an agreement <i>from whom</i>? and <i>why on earth w</i><i>ould that </i></div><div style="margin: 0px; "><i>other party comply with Elsevier</i>? and what on earth has that to do with <i>you</i>? -- ] <span style="font-family: Arial; ">which respects the </span></div><div style="margin: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Arial; ">journal-specific embargo periods."</span></div></div></blockquote><div style="margin: 0px; "><font face="Arial"><br></font></div><div><font face="Arial">This is the part that all sensible authors should completely (and contemptuously!) ignore as a <i>non</i></font></div><div><font face="Arial"><i>sequitur</i>: If the publisher wants to try to get further agreements out of other parties, let the publisher try. </font></div><div><font face="Arial">But that's got </font><span style="font-family: Arial; ">nothing to do with the author, nor with the author's rights agreement with the publisher.</span></div><div><span style="font-family: Arial; "><br></span></div><div><span style="font-family: Arial; ">Stevan Harnad</span></div><div><font face="Arial"><br></font></div><div><br></div></div><span><ATT00001..txt></span></blockquote></div><br></div></div></div></body></html>