<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Sally<div><br></div><div>Cost to the research community, not the narrow costs to the publisher. If it helps you just add 'to the research community' every time you see the word 'cost' or 'costs'.</div><div><br></div><div>Of course many would agree that in the current system there is little relation between costs to the publisher and price.</div><div><br></div><div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; 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<br><div><div>On 3 May 2013, at 18:21, Sally Morris wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="863584314-03052013"><font color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial">Surely these figure have nothing to do with COST, and
everything to do with PRICE?</font></span></div>
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<font size="2" face="Tahoma"><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:goal-bounces@eprints.org">goal-bounces@eprints.org</a>
[mailto:goal-bounces@eprints.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>David
Prosser<br><b>Sent:</b> 03 May 2013 15:18<br><b>To:</b> Global Open Access List
(Successor of AmSci); <a href="mailto:boai-forum@ecs.soton.ac.uk">boai-forum@ecs.soton.ac.uk</a> post<br><b>Subject:</b> [GOAL]
Comparing Revenues for OA and Subscription Publishing<br></font><br></div>
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<div>(Cross-posted)</div>
<div><br></div>The Economist has published another piece on open access
publishing:<br><br><a href="http://www.economist.com/news/science-and-technology/21577035-open-access-scientific-publishing-gaining-ground-free-all">http://www.economist.com/news/science-and-technology/21577035-open-access-scientific-publishing-gaining-ground-free-all</a><br><br>I
was struck by one paragraph in particular:<br><br>
<blockquote style="BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 40px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 0px" class="webkit-indent-blockquote">Outsell, a Californian consultancy, estimates
that open-access journals generated $172m in 2012. That was just 2.8% of the
total revenue journals brought their publishers (some $6 billion a year),
but it was up by 34% from 2011 and is expected to reach $336m in 2015. The
number of open-access papers is forecast to grow from 194,000 (out of a
total of 1.7m publications) to 352,000 in the same period.</blockquote><br><br>
<div>By my reckoning this means that in 2012 the revenue breakdown was :</div>
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<div>For Open Access = $890 per paper ($172m / 194k papers)</div>
<div>For Sub Access = $3,500 per paper ($6 billion / 1.7m papers) </div>
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<div>If the 194,000 papers published in OA had been published in subscription
journals the extra costs could have been around $500 million
((3500-890)x194000). If you believe that all of these papers would
probably have been published whatever the business model you could recast this
as the worldwide community having made a saving of $500 million.</div>
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<div>If all 1.7m papers published in 2012 had been OA at $890 per paper the $6
billion a year business would shrink to a $1.5 billion a year business.</div>
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<div>There are lots of assumptions here (not least that my maths are correct),
but it is clear that </div>
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<div>a) the direct costs of publishing in OA journals are current significantly
lower than publishing in subscriptions journals</div>
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<div>b) the average cost per paper in OA is significantly lower than the roughly
£1,450 per article that represented the break-even point for the UK under which
the UK would save money if we moved totally to OA</div>
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<div>c) the average is much, much lower than the typical price being offered for
'hybrid' OA. </div>
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<div>It would be very easy to construct an argument that the $890 per paper
figure is not scaleable to all of journal publishing, but it is interesting
that, at least for the moment, the figure is so low.</div>
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