<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>This corresponds for instance to the Freemium scheme of OpenEdition. Under this scheme, papers are freely available in HTML and additional services are offered to libraries that have taken a subscription (ePub, pdf, cataloguing facilities, etc.)</div><div>Laurent</div><br><div><div>Le 19 avr. 2013 à 07:52, Jan Velterop a écrit :</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=iso-8859-1"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Are there examples of such "subscription journals that make their online version freely accessible online (immediately upon publication)."<div><br></div><div>Who would subscribe, and what would a subscription entail?</div><div><br></div><div>Jan Velterop</div><div><br><div><div>On 19 Apr 2013, at 05:16, Stevan Harnad <<a href="mailto:amsciforum@gmail.com">amsciforum@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra">On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 4:33 PM, Jean-Claude Guédon <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jean.claude.guedon@umontreal.ca" target="_blank">jean.claude.guedon@umontreal.ca</a>></span> wrote:</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>The reference to free Gold journals covered by subscriptions is not clear to me. Is this a reference to SCOAP3?</div>
</blockquote><div><br></div><div style="">It's a reference to all subscription journals that make their online version freely accessible online (immediately upon publication).</div><div style=""><br></div><div style="">(No, SCOAP3 is a premature and unnecessary post-hoc consortial "membership" scheme that I think will not prove sustainable. The HEP fields have already provided near 100% (Green) OA for 20 years, un-mandated. What's needed next is for institutions and funders to mandate that all other disciplines do likewise.)</div>
<div><br></div><div style=""> Stevan Harnad</div><div style=""><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Le jeudi 18 avril 2013 à 07:45 +0100, Stevan Harnad a écrit :
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1. The Green/Gold Open Access (OA) distinction concerns whether it is the author or the publisher that provides the OA.</blockquote>
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2. This distinction was important to mark with clear terms because the conflation of the two roads to OA has practical implications and has been holding up OA progress for a decade and a half.</blockquote>
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3. The distinction between paid Gold and free Gold is very far from being a straightforward one.</blockquote>
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4. Free Gold can be free (to the author) because the expenses of the Gold journal are covered by subscriptions, subsidies or volunteerism.
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<blockquote type="CITE">5. The funds for Paid Gold can come from the author's pocket, the author's research grant, the author's institution or the author's funder.</blockquote>
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6. It would be both absurd and gratuitously confusing to mark each of these economic-model differences with a color-code.</blockquote>
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7. Superfluous extra colors would also obscure the role that the colour-code was invented to perform: distinguishing author-side OA provision from publisher-side OA provision.</blockquote>
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8. So, please, let's not have <a href="http://openaccess.eprints.org/index.php?/archives/993-.html" target="_blank">"diamond," "platinum" and "titanium" OA</a>, despite the metallurgical temptations.</blockquote>
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9. They amplify noise instead of pinpointing the signal, just as <a href="http://openaccess.eprints.org/index.php?/archives/453-SHERPARoMEO-Publishers-with-Paid-Options-for-Open-Access.html" target="_blank">SHERPA/Romeo</a>'s parti-colored <a href="http://www.sherpa.ac.uk/romeoinfo.html#colours" target="_blank">Blue/Yellow/Green spectrum</a> (mercifully ignored by almost everyone) does.</blockquote>
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10. OA is about providing Open Access to peer-reviewed journal articles, not about cost-recovery models for OA publishing (Gold OA).</blockquote>
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11. The Gold that publishers are fighting for and that researcher funders are subsidizing (whether "pure" or "hybrid") is paid Gold, not free Gold.</blockquote>
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12. No one knows whether or how free Gold will be sustainable, any more than they know whether or how long subscription publishing can co-exist viably with mandatory Green OA. </blockquote>
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13. So please leave the economic ideology and speculation out of the pragmatics of OA policy making by the research community (institutions and funders).</blockquote>
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14. Cost-recovery models are the province of publishers (Gold OA).
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<blockquote type="CITE">15. What the research community needs to do is mandate OA provision.<br></blockquote>
<blockquote type="CITE">16. The only OA provision that is entirely in the research community's hands is Green OA.</blockquote>
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And, before you ask, please let's not play into the publishers' hands by colour-coding OA also in terms of the length of the publisher embargo: 3-month OA, 6-month OA, 12-month-OA, 24-month-OA, millennial OA: OA means <i>immediate online access</i>. Anything else is delayed access. (The only quasi-exception is the "<a href="http://openaccess.eprints.org/index.php?/archives/839-Publisher-OA-Embargoes,-IDOA-Mandates-and-the-Almost-OA-Button.html" target="_blank">Almost-OA</a>" provided by the author via the institutional repository's email-eprint-request Button when complying with publisher embargoes -- but that too is clearly <i>not OA,</i> which is immediate, free online access.)</blockquote>
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And on no account should the genuine, substantive distinction between <a href="http://openaccess.eprints.org/index.php?/archives/442-guid.html" target="_blank">Gratis OA</a> (free online access) and <a href="http://openaccess.eprints.org/index.php?/archives/442-guid.html" target="_blank">Libre OA</a> (free online access plus various re-use rights) be color-coded (with a different shade for every variety of CC license)!</blockquote>
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Harnad, S., Brody, T., Vallieres, F., Carr, L., Hitchcock, S., Gingras, Y, Oppenheim, C., Stamerjohanns, H., & Hilf, E. (2004) <a href="http://eprints.ecs.soton.ac.uk/10209/" target="_blank">The Access/Impact Problem and the Green and Gold Roads to Open Access</a>. Serials Review 30. Shorter version: <a href="http://www.nature.com/nature/focus/accessdebate/21.html" target="_blank">The green and the gold roads to Open Access</a>. <i>Nature Web Focus</i>. </blockquote>
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