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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Hi Richard,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Happy to relay this information from my colleague. Answers interspersed below
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">in black.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">With kind wishes,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Alicia<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> goal-bounces@eprints.org [mailto:goal-bounces@eprints.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Richard Poynder<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 12, 2012 2:00 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [GOAL] Re: Interview with Harvard's Stuart Shieber<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Andalus","serif";color:#1F497D">Thanks for this Alicia. Can you put some numbers on the percentage you cite? I.e. the number of articles assumed as the total, the number of articles
from this total (3-4%) for which an APC was charged, and then the number of those charged-for articles that were published in hybrid journals vs. the number published in “pure” Gold OA journals?
</span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">My colleague conducted an analysis of content on DOAJ – full journals not hybrid journals - categorizing each journal as either “author pays” or ‘subsidized’ (to
use a different term as Sally, rightly, points out that ‘free at the point of use’ is ambiguous!) journals. Based on this analysis we estimate 3-4% of all STM articles (2.1M articles published as defined in Scopus) are in ‘subsidized’ journals.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Andalus","serif";color:#1F497D">And when you say the start of 2012, what time span was used to arrive at these figures? A year? A month? A quarter?</span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:red">
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">These are estimates for full year 2011.</span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Andalus","serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Andalus","serif";color:#1F497D">Has your colleague published this data? It would certainly be useful if someone published this kind of data on a regular basis, not least in order to
track change over time. </span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">These data are gathered for internal tracking/modelling purposes, but thanks for the suggestion that we might publish them periodically.
I’ll feed this back internally. My colleague notes that </span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">“</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">We reviewed the fine
published work by Bjork and his colleagues. We found the overall uptake numbers quite similar to our internal analysis. However, there were some difference in the proportions of these that are assigned to different OA buckets based on variations in definitions,
scope and methodology. “<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Andalus","serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Andalus","serif";color:#1F497D">Also, is it possible to provide some more information on the “free-at-the-point-of-use” business models you are referring to, and what percentage of
the total market they each represent?</span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Andalus","serif";color:#1F497D">
</span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Yes, happy to do this. Here are two examples:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">titles or supplements where society sponsorship pays for publishing costs rather than APCs or subscriptions<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><![if !supportLists]><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:black"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">conference proceedings for which the publishing costs are paid by conference organisers and not APCs or subscriptions</span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Andalus","serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Andalus","serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Andalus","serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Andalus","serif";color:#1F497D">Richard<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Andalus","serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Andalus","serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></i></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">
<a href="mailto:goal-bounces@eprints.org">goal-bounces@eprints.org</a> [<a href="mailto:goal-bounces@eprints.org">mailto:goal-bounces@eprints.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Wise, Alicia (ELS-OXF)<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 12 December 2012 12:59<br>
<b>To:</b> Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [GOAL] Re: Interview with Harvard's Stuart Shieber<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Hi Richard,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">My colleague does an in-depth annual study on the uptake of different business models, and suggests that this figure was 3-4% of total articles at the start
of 2012. Elsevier, and I’m sure a wide array of other publishers, have used a range of business models to produce free-to-read journals for decades. I find it very interesting that these models are now claimed by the open access community as ‘gold oa’ titles
although I suppose that’s much less of a mouthful than ‘free-at-the-point-of-use’ titles!
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">With kind wishes,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Alicia<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
<a href="mailto:goal-bounces@eprints.org">goal-bounces@eprints.org</a> [<a href="mailto:goal-bounces@eprints.org">mailto:goal-bounces@eprints.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Richard Poynder<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 12, 2012 8:42 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [GOAL] Re: Interview with Harvard's Stuart Shieber<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Andalus","serif";color:#1F497D">Thanks for the comments David. Your point about not equating Gold OA with APCs is well taken.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Andalus","serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Andalus","serif";color:#1F497D">But it also invites a question I think: do we know what percentage of papers(not journals, but papers) published Gold OA today incur no APC charge,
and what do we anticipate this percentage becoming in a post-Finch world?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Andalus","serif";color:#1F497D">Richard<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">
<a href="mailto:goal-bounces@eprints.org">goal-bounces@eprints.org</a> [<a href="mailto:goal-bounces@eprints.org">mailto:goal-bounces@eprints.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>David Prosser<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 11 December 2012 19:53<br>
<b>To:</b> Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [GOAL] Re: Interview with Harvard's Stuart Shieber<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">As ever, Richard has put together a fascinating and entertaining interview, and augmented it with a really useful essay on the current state of OA policies.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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the<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span></i><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><a href="http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/people/sshieber"><i><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif"">Berkman
Center for Internet and Society</span></i></a></span><i><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif"">, Director of Harvard’s Office for Scholarly Communication (</span></i><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><a href="http://osc.hul.harvard.edu/"><i><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif"">OSC</span></i></a></span><i><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif"">),
and chief architect of the Harvard Open Access (</span></i><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_access"><i><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif"">OA</span></i></a></span><i><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif"">)
Policy — a 2008 initiative that has seen Harvard become a major force in the OA movement.</span></i><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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