<font><font face="trebuchet ms,sans-serif">Hi Richard,</font></font><div><font><font face="trebuchet ms,sans-serif"><br></font></font></div><div><font><font face="trebuchet ms,sans-serif">I argued in the September 2012 issue of my newsletter that the RCUK/Finch incentives will lead no-fee OA journals to start charging fees, if only to avoid leaving money on the table. See Section 7 of this article:</font></font></div>
<div><font><font face="trebuchet ms,sans-serif"><a href="http://www.earlham.edu/~peters/fos/newsletter/09-02-12.htm#uk-ec">http://www.earlham.edu/~peters/fos/newsletter/09-02-12.htm#uk-ec</a><br></font></font></div><div>
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</font></font></div><div><font><font face="trebuchet ms,sans-serif">Today 70% of OA journals (not articles) charge no fees at all. But that that number will very likely approach zero under the new RCUK policy, at least when publishing articles by RCUK-funded authors.</font></font></div>
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<font face="trebuchet ms, sans-serif">On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 3:41 AM, Richard Poynder <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ricky@richardpoynder.co.uk" target="_blank">ricky@richardpoynder.co.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br></font><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div lang="EN-GB" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><font face="trebuchet ms, sans-serif">Thanks for the comments David. Your point about not equating Gold OA with APCs is well taken.<u></u><u></u></font></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><font face="trebuchet ms, sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></font></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><font face="trebuchet ms, sans-serif">But it also invites a question I think: do we know what percentage of papers(not journals, but papers) published Gold OA today incur no APC charge, and what do we anticipate this percentage becoming in a post-Finch world?<u></u><u></u></font></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><font face="trebuchet ms, sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></font></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><font face="trebuchet ms, sans-serif">Richard<u></u><u></u></font></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="trebuchet ms, sans-serif"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> <a href="mailto:goal-bounces@eprints.org" target="_blank">goal-bounces@eprints.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:goal-bounces@eprints.org" target="_blank">goal-bounces@eprints.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>David Prosser<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 11 December 2012 19:53<br><b>To:</b> Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)<br><b>Subject:</b> [GOAL] Re: Interview with Harvard's Stuart Shieber<u></u><u></u></span></font></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal">
<font face="trebuchet ms, sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font face="trebuchet ms, sans-serif">As ever, Richard has put together a fascinating and entertaining interview, and augmented it with a really useful essay on the current state of OA policies.<u></u><u></u></font></p>
<div><p class="MsoNormal"><font face="trebuchet ms, sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></font></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><font face="trebuchet ms, sans-serif">I have a small quibble. On page two, Richard writes:<u></u><u></u></font></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><font face="trebuchet ms, sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></font></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><font face="trebuchet ms, sans-serif">"...or by means of gold OA, in which researchers (or more usually their funders) pay publishers an article-processing charge (APC) to ensure that their paper is made freely available on the Web at the time of publication."<u></u><u></u></font></p>
</div><div class="im"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><font face="trebuchet ms, sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></font></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><font face="trebuchet ms, sans-serif">APCs make up just one business model that can be used to support Gold OA. Gold is OA through journals - it makes no assumption about how the costs of publication are paid for. I think it is helpful to ensure that we do not equate Gold with APCs.<u></u><u></u></font></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><font face="trebuchet ms, sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></font></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><font face="trebuchet ms, sans-serif">David<u></u><u></u></font></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">
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<font face="trebuchet ms, sans-serif">On 3 Dec 2012, at 18:51, Richard Poynder wrote:<u></u><u></u></font></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><font face="trebuchet ms, sans-serif"><br><br><u></u><u></u></font></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><font face="trebuchet ms, sans-serif"><i>Stuart Shieber is the Welch Professor of Computer Science at Harvard University,<span> </span></i><a href="http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/people/sshieber" target="_blank"><i>Faculty Co-Director</i></a><span><i> </i></span><i>of the<span> </span></i><a href="http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/people/sshieber" target="_blank"><i>Berkman Center for Internet and Society</i></a><i>, Director of Harvard’s Office for Scholarly Communication (</i><a href="http://osc.hul.harvard.edu/" target="_blank"><i>OSC</i></a><i>), and chief architect of the Harvard Open Access (</i><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_access" target="_blank"><i>OA</i></a><i>) Policy — a 2008 initiative that has seen Harvard become a major force in the OA movement.</i><u></u><u></u></font></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><font face="trebuchet ms, sans-serif"><i> </i><u></u><u></u></font></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><font face="trebuchet ms, sans-serif"><a href="http://poynder.blogspot.co.uk/2012/12/the-oa-interviews-harvards-stuart.html" target="_blank">http://poynder.blogspot.co.uk/2012/12/the-oa-interviews-harvards-stuart.html</a><u></u><u></u></font></p>
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