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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">David,<br>
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The share of APC-charging OA articles was 49 % in 2011 and is
growing. For more detailed empirical evidence check out our recent
article<br>
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Bo-Christer Björk, Mikael Laakso<br>
Anatomy of open access publishing: a study of longitudinal
development and internal structure<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.biomedcentral.com/1741-7015/10/124">http://www.biomedcentral.com/1741-7015/10/124</a><br>
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Also as a comment to the discussion on APC levels, I suspect that
the publisher lobby has been trying to give an impression of a
higher average APC level than supported by empirical evidence. To
me it seems pretty clear that researchers getting funding from
Wellcome trust are among the top stratum of researchers in
biomedicine, where APCs on the whole are higher and also tend to
publish more in the top OA journals which charge at the higher end
of the scale. Hence an average of Wellcome Trust payments is not
illustrative.<br>
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Best regards<br>
<br>
Bo-Christer<br>
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On 12/13/12 10:01 AM, David Prosser wrote:<br>
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I must admit that intuitively (and with no real evidence!) I
wonder about the 50% figure for the proportion of Gold OA articles
for which no APC payment has been made. The reason being that the
biggest OA journals and publishers - PLoS One, BMC, Hindawi - all
charge APCs and so although the proportion of journals may be 50%,
I would guess that the proportion of articles is significantly
less.
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<div>But these large publishers are mainly in the life and medical
sciences and if one looks at other disciplines the ratio may be
closer to 50%. The reason I think this is an important
distinction to make is that we often hear objections from arts
and humanities scholars that they cannot support Gold OA as they
do not have the funds to pay for APC. But in their fields (and
others) there are many, many Gold OA journals that make no
publication charges. This is where the 'Gold OA journals charge
APCs' shorthand becomes rather unhelpful.</div>
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<div>I must admit I am completely bemused by Alicia's comments.
She suggests that Elsevier has pioneered a number of business
models that are now being clammed by the OA community as being
Gold OA. To help could she give, say, three concrete examples?</div>
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<div>Best wishes</div>
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<div>David</div>
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<div> Hi Alicia,<br>
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an hour before your mail, I suggested a blog article which
seems to say that about 50% of all gold OA journals do not
ask for APCs at all and APCs were indeed not paid for by
half of all Gold OA articles. <br>
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This is not reconcilable with the 3-4% you report. Are we
perhaps talking about completely different ratios?<br>
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best,<br>
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Hans<br>
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for your convenience: the link, again, was: <a
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Wise, Alicia (ELS-OXF):<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Hi Richard,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>My colleague does an
in-depth annual study on the uptake of different
business models, and suggests that this figure was
3-4% of total articles at the start of 2012.
Elsevier, and I’m sure a wide array of other
publishers, have used a range of business models
to produce free-to-read journals for decades. I
find it very interesting that these models are now
claimed by the open access community as ‘gold oa’
titles although I suppose that’s much less of a
mouthful than ‘free-at-the-point-of-use’ titles!
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>With kind wishes,</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Alicia</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span>From:</span></b><span>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Richard Poynder<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 12, 2012 8:42
AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Global Open Access List (Successor
of AmSci)'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [GOAL] Re: Interview with
Harvard's Stuart Shieber</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Thanks for the
comments David. Your point about not equating Gold
OA with APCs is well taken.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">But it also
invites a question I think: do we know what
percentage of papers(not journals, but papers)
published Gold OA today incur no APC charge, and
what do we anticipate this percentage becoming in
a post-Finch world?</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Richard</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span>From:</span></b><span>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>David Prosser<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 11 December 2012 19:53<br>
<b>To:</b> Global Open Access List (Successor
of AmSci)<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [GOAL] Re: Interview with
Harvard's Stuart Shieber</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">As ever,
Richard has put together a fascinating and
entertaining interview, and augmented it with a
really useful essay on the current state of OA
policies.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">I have a
small quibble. On page two, Richard writes:</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">"...or by
means of gold OA, in which researchers (or
more usually their funders) pay publishers an
article-processing charge (APC) to ensure that
their paper is made freely available on the
Web at the time of publication."</span><span
lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">APCs make
up just one business model that can be used to
support Gold OA. Gold is OA through journals
- it makes no assumption about how the costs
of publication are paid for. I think it is
helpful to ensure that we do not equate Gold
with APCs.</span><span lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">David</span><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">On 3 Dec
2012, at 18:51, Richard Poynder wrote:</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span lang="EN-GB">Stuart
Shieber is the Welch Professor of
Computer Science at Harvard
University,<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span></i><span
lang="EN-GB"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/people/sshieber"><i><span>Faculty
Co-Director</span></i></a></span><span
class="apple-converted-space"><i><span
lang="EN-GB"> </span></i></span><i><span
lang="EN-GB">of the<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span></i><span
lang="EN-GB"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/people/sshieber"><i><span>Berkman
Center for Internet and Society</span></i></a></span><i><span
lang="EN-GB">, Director of Harvard’s
Office for Scholarly Communication (</span></i><span
lang="EN-GB"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://osc.hul.harvard.edu/"><i><span>OSC</span></i></a></span><i><span
lang="EN-GB">), and chief architect
of the Harvard Open Access (</span></i><span
lang="EN-GB"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_access"><i><span>OA</span></i></a></span><i><span
lang="EN-GB">) Policy — a 2008
initiative that has seen Harvard
become a major force in the OA
movement.</span></i><span lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
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