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Hi Alicia,<br>
<br>
an hour before your mail, I suggested a blog article which seems to
say that about 50% of all gold OA journals do not ask for APCs at
all and APCs were indeed not paid for by half of all Gold OA
articles. <br>
<br>
This is not reconcilable with the 3-4% you report. Are we perhaps
talking about completely different ratios?<br>
<br>
best,<br>
<br>
Hans<br>
<br>
for your convenience: the link, again, was: <a
class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://svpow.com/2012/12/10/what-does-it-cost-to-publish-a-gold-open-access-article/">http://svpow.com/2012/12/10/what-does-it-cost-to-publish-a-gold-open-access-article/</a><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 12.12.12 13:59, schrieb Wise, Alicia
(ELS-OXF):<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Hi
Richard,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">My
colleague does an in-depth annual study on the uptake of
different business models, and suggests that this figure was
3-4% of total articles at the start of 2012. Elsevier, and
I’m sure a wide array of other publishers, have used a range
of business models to produce free-to-read journals for
decades. I find it very interesting that these models are
now claimed by the open access community as ‘gold oa’ titles
although I suppose that’s much less of a mouthful than
‘free-at-the-point-of-use’ titles!
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">With
kind wishes,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Alicia<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
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<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:goal-bounces@eprints.org">goal-bounces@eprints.org</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:goal-bounces@eprints.org">mailto:goal-bounces@eprints.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Richard Poynder<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 12, 2012 8:42 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Global Open Access List (Successor of
AmSci)'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [GOAL] Re: Interview with Harvard's
Stuart Shieber<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Andalus","serif";color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-GB">Thanks for the comments David. Your point about
not equating Gold OA with APCs is well taken.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Andalus","serif";color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Andalus","serif";color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-GB">But it also invites a question I think: do we
know what percentage of papers(not journals, but papers)
published Gold OA today incur no APC charge, and what do we
anticipate this percentage becoming in a post-Finch world?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Andalus","serif";color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-GB">Richard<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span
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lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></i></p>
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<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:goal-bounces@eprints.org">goal-bounces@eprints.org</a>
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href="mailto:goal-bounces@eprints.org">mailto:goal-bounces@eprints.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>David Prosser<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 11 December 2012 19:53<br>
<b>To:</b> Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [GOAL] Re: Interview with Harvard's
Stuart Shieber<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">As ever, Richard has put
together a fascinating and entertaining interview, and
augmented it with a really useful essay on the current state
of OA policies.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">I have a small
quibble. On page two, Richard writes:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""
lang="EN-GB">"...or by means of gold OA, in which
researchers (or more usually their funders) pay
publishers an article-processing charge (APC) to ensure
that their paper is made freely available on the Web at
the time of publication."</span><span
style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Trebuchet
MS","sans-serif"" lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""
lang="EN-GB">APCs make up just one business model that
can be used to support Gold OA. Gold is OA through
journals - it makes no assumption about how the costs of
publication are paid for. I think it is helpful to
ensure that we do not equate Gold with APCs.</span><span
style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Trebuchet
MS","sans-serif"" lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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lang="EN-GB">David</span><span
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MS","sans-serif"" lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">On 3 Dec 2012, at
18:51, Richard Poynder wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet
MS","sans-serif"" lang="EN-GB">Stuart
Shieber is the Welch Professor of Computer
Science at Harvard University,<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span></i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="EN-GB"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/people/sshieber"><i><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet
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Co-Director</span></i></a></span><span
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet
MS","sans-serif"" lang="EN-GB"> </span></i></span><i><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet
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the<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span></i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="EN-GB"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/people/sshieber"><i><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet
MS","sans-serif"">Berkman
Center for Internet and Society</span></i></a></span><i><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet
MS","sans-serif"" lang="EN-GB">,
Director of Harvard’s Office for Scholarly
Communication (</span></i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="EN-GB"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://osc.hul.harvard.edu/"><i><span
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet
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and chief architect of the Harvard Open Access (</span></i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="EN-GB"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet
MS","sans-serif"">OA</span></i></a></span><i><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet
MS","sans-serif"" lang="EN-GB">)
Policy — a 2008 initiative that has seen Harvard
become a major force in the OA movement.</span></i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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