<html><head><base href="x-msg://284/"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">The misleading potential of these figures is in the column Type (percentages). This refers to the percentage of journals with charges in a certain price range. The percentages of articles published for which these prices have been paid will likely show that the vast majority is in full OA journals.<div><br></div><div>A similar effect occurs in the oft-mentioned fact that "the majority of 'gold' OA journals don't levy article charges". Undoubtedly true. But that 'majority' is unlikely to have published, in the aggregate, more than a tiny fraction of the total OA articles published. Or have any Impact Factor at all.</div><div><br></div><div>Jan Velterop</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On 12 Oct 2012, at 16:30, ANDREW Theo wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div lang="EN-GB" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; "><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Hi Ross and others,<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Apologies – friday afternoon gremlins have crept into our blogging platform breaking the link. Here’s a sanitised extract of the data:<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="1" cellpadding="0" width="584" style="width: 438pt; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; border-top-style: none; border-right-style: none; border-left-style: none; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; border-bottom-style: solid; border-bottom-color: rgb(221, 221, 221); border-bottom-width: 1pt; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "><tbody><tr><td valign="bottom" style="border-right-style: none; border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style: none; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; border-top-style: solid; border-top-color: rgb(221, 221, 221); border-top-width: 1pt; padding-top: 4.5pt; padding-right: 7.5pt; padding-bottom: 4.5pt; padding-left: 0cm; "><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; line-height: 18pt; "><span style="font-size: 11.5pt; font-family: inherit, serif; color: rgb(55, 55, 55); ">Price range<o:p></o:p></span></div></td><td valign="bottom" style="border-right-style: none; border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style: none; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; border-top-style: solid; border-top-color: rgb(221, 221, 221); border-top-width: 1pt; padding-top: 4.5pt; padding-right: 7.5pt; padding-bottom: 4.5pt; padding-left: 0cm; "><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; line-height: 18pt; "><span style="font-size: 11.5pt; font-family: inherit, serif; color: rgb(55, 55, 55); ">JIF Range<o:p></o:p></span></div></td><td valign="bottom" style="border-right-style: none; border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style: none; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; border-top-style: solid; border-top-color: rgb(221, 221, 221); border-top-width: 1pt; padding-top: 4.5pt; padding-right: 7.5pt; padding-bottom: 4.5pt; padding-left: 0cm; "><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; line-height: 18pt; "><span style="font-size: 11.5pt; font-family: inherit, serif; color: rgb(55, 55, 55); ">JIF Mean<o:p></o:p></span></div></td><td valign="bottom" style="border-right-style: none; border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style: none; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; border-top-style: solid; border-top-color: rgb(221, 221, 221); border-top-width: 1pt; padding-top: 4.5pt; padding-right: 7.5pt; padding-bottom: 4.5pt; padding-left: 0cm; "><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; line-height: 18pt; "><span style="font-size: 11.5pt; font-family: inherit, serif; color: rgb(55, 55, 55); ">JIF Median<o:p></o:p></span></div></td><td valign="bottom" style="border-right-style: none; border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style: none; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; border-top-style: solid; border-top-color: rgb(221, 221, 221); border-top-width: 1pt; padding-top: 4.5pt; padding-right: 7.5pt; padding-bottom: 4.5pt; padding-left: 0cm; "><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; line-height: 18pt; "><span style="font-size: 11.5pt; font-family: inherit, serif; color: rgb(55, 55, 55); ">Number of articles<o:p></o:p></span></div></td><td valign="bottom" style="border-right-style: none; border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style: none; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; border-top-style: solid; border-top-color: rgb(221, 221, 221); border-top-width: 1pt; padding-top: 4.5pt; padding-right: 7.5pt; padding-bottom: 4.5pt; padding-left: 0cm; "><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; line-height: 18pt; "><span style="font-size: 11.5pt; font-family: inherit, serif; color: rgb(55, 55, 55); ">Type<o:p></o:p></span></div></td></tr><tr><td valign="bottom" style="border-right-style: none; border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style: none; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; border-top-style: solid; border-top-color: rgb(221, 221, 221); border-top-width: 1pt; padding-top: 4.5pt; padding-right: 7.5pt; padding-bottom: 4.5pt; padding-left: 0cm; "><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; line-height: 18pt; "><span style="font-size: 11.5pt; font-family: inherit, serif; color: rgb(55, 55, 55); ">£0-£999<o:p></o:p></span></div></td><td valign="bottom" style="border-right-style: none; border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style: none; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; border-top-style: solid; border-top-color: rgb(221, 221, 221); border-top-width: 1pt; padding-top: 4.5pt; padding-right: 7.5pt; padding-bottom: 4.5pt; padding-left: 0cm; "><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; line-height: 18pt; "><span style="font-size: 11.5pt; font-family: inherit, serif; color: rgb(55, 55, 55); ">2.263 – 10.472<o:p></o:p></span></div></td><td valign="bottom" style="border-right-style: none; border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style: none; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; border-top-style: solid; border-top-color: rgb(221, 221, 221); border-top-width: 1pt; padding-top: 4.5pt; padding-right: 7.5pt; padding-bottom: 4.5pt; padding-left: 0cm; "><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; line-height: 18pt; "><span style="font-size: 11.5pt; font-family: inherit, serif; color: rgb(55, 55, 55); ">4.849<o:p></o:p></span></div></td><td valign="bottom" style="border-right-style: none; border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style: none; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; border-top-style: solid; border-top-color: rgb(221, 221, 221); border-top-width: 1pt; padding-top: 4.5pt; padding-right: 7.5pt; padding-bottom: 4.5pt; padding-left: 0cm; "><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; line-height: 18pt; "><span style="font-size: 11.5pt; font-family: inherit, serif; color: rgb(55, 55, 55); ">4.537<o:p></o:p></span></div></td><td valign="bottom" style="border-right-style: none; border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style: none; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; border-top-style: solid; border-top-color: rgb(221, 221, 221); border-top-width: 1pt; padding-top: 4.5pt; padding-right: 7.5pt; padding-bottom: 4.5pt; padding-left: 0cm; "><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; line-height: 18pt; "><span style="font-size: 11.5pt; font-family: inherit, serif; color: rgb(55, 55, 55); ">41<o:p></o:p></span></div></td><td valign="bottom" style="border-right-style: none; border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style: none; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; border-top-style: solid; border-top-color: rgb(221, 221, 221); border-top-width: 1pt; padding-top: 4.5pt; padding-right: 7.5pt; padding-bottom: 4.5pt; padding-left: 0cm; "><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; line-height: 18pt; "><span style="font-size: 11.5pt; font-family: inherit, serif; color: rgb(55, 55, 55); ">44% hybrid 56% full OA<o:p></o:p></span></div></td></tr><tr><td valign="bottom" style="border-right-style: none; border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style: none; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; border-top-style: solid; border-top-color: rgb(221, 221, 221); border-top-width: 1pt; padding-top: 4.5pt; padding-right: 7.5pt; padding-bottom: 4.5pt; padding-left: 0cm; "><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; line-height: 18pt; "><span style="font-size: 11.5pt; font-family: inherit, serif; color: rgb(55, 55, 55); ">£1000-£1999<o:p></o:p></span></div></td><td valign="bottom" style="border-right-style: none; border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style: none; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; border-top-style: solid; border-top-color: rgb(221, 221, 221); border-top-width: 1pt; padding-top: 4.5pt; padding-right: 7.5pt; padding-bottom: 4.5pt; padding-left: 0cm; "><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; line-height: 18pt; "><span style="font-size: 11.5pt; font-family: inherit, serif; color: rgb(55, 55, 55); ">0.856 -15.389<o:p></o:p></span></div></td><td valign="bottom" style="border-right-style: none; border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style: none; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; border-top-style: solid; border-top-color: rgb(221, 221, 221); border-top-width: 1pt; padding-top: 4.5pt; padding-right: 7.5pt; padding-bottom: 4.5pt; padding-left: 0cm; "><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; line-height: 18pt; "><span style="font-size: 11.5pt; font-family: inherit, serif; color: rgb(55, 55, 55); ">6.328<o:p></o:p></span></div></td><td valign="bottom" style="border-right-style: none; border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style: none; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; border-top-style: solid; border-top-color: rgb(221, 221, 221); border-top-width: 1pt; padding-top: 4.5pt; padding-right: 7.5pt; padding-bottom: 4.5pt; padding-left: 0cm; "><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; line-height: 18pt; "><span style="font-size: 11.5pt; font-family: inherit, serif; color: rgb(55, 55, 55); ">5.117<o:p></o:p></span></div></td><td valign="bottom" style="border-right-style: none; border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style: none; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; border-top-style: solid; border-top-color: rgb(221, 221, 221); border-top-width: 1pt; padding-top: 4.5pt; padding-right: 7.5pt; padding-bottom: 4.5pt; padding-left: 0cm; "><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; line-height: 18pt; "><span style="font-size: 11.5pt; font-family: inherit, serif; color: rgb(55, 55, 55); ">108<o:p></o:p></span></div></td><td valign="bottom" style="border-right-style: none; border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style: none; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; border-top-style: solid; border-top-color: rgb(221, 221, 221); border-top-width: 1pt; padding-top: 4.5pt; padding-right: 7.5pt; padding-bottom: 4.5pt; padding-left: 0cm; "><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; line-height: 18pt; "><span style="font-size: 11.5pt; font-family: inherit, serif; color: rgb(55, 55, 55); ">63% hybrid 37% full OA<o:p></o:p></span></div></td></tr><tr><td valign="bottom" style="border-right-style: none; border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style: none; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; border-top-style: solid; border-top-color: rgb(221, 221, 221); border-top-width: 1pt; padding-top: 4.5pt; padding-right: 7.5pt; padding-bottom: 4.5pt; padding-left: 0cm; "><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; line-height: 18pt; "><span style="font-size: 11.5pt; font-family: inherit, serif; color: rgb(55, 55, 55); ">£2000-£2999<o:p></o:p></span></div></td><td valign="bottom" style="border-right-style: none; border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style: none; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; border-top-style: solid; border-top-color: rgb(221, 221, 221); border-top-width: 1pt; padding-top: 4.5pt; padding-right: 7.5pt; padding-bottom: 4.5pt; padding-left: 0cm; "><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; line-height: 18pt; "><span style="font-size: 11.5pt; font-family: inherit, serif; color: rgb(55, 55, 55); ">0.986 – 12.594<o:p></o:p></span></div></td><td valign="bottom" style="border-right-style: none; border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style: none; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; border-top-style: solid; border-top-color: rgb(221, 221, 221); border-top-width: 1pt; padding-top: 4.5pt; padding-right: 7.5pt; padding-bottom: 4.5pt; padding-left: 0cm; "><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; line-height: 18pt; "><span style="font-size: 11.5pt; font-family: inherit, serif; color: rgb(55, 55, 55); ">4.411<o:p></o:p></span></div></td><td valign="bottom" style="border-right-style: none; border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style: none; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; border-top-style: solid; border-top-color: rgb(221, 221, 221); border-top-width: 1pt; padding-top: 4.5pt; padding-right: 7.5pt; padding-bottom: 4.5pt; padding-left: 0cm; "><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; line-height: 18pt; "><span style="font-size: 11.5pt; font-family: inherit, serif; color: rgb(55, 55, 55); ">3.441<o:p></o:p></span></div></td><td valign="bottom" style="border-right-style: none; border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style: none; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; border-top-style: solid; border-top-color: rgb(221, 221, 221); border-top-width: 1pt; padding-top: 4.5pt; padding-right: 7.5pt; padding-bottom: 4.5pt; padding-left: 0cm; "><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; line-height: 18pt; "><span style="font-size: 11.5pt; font-family: inherit, serif; color: rgb(55, 55, 55); ">61<o:p></o:p></span></div></td><td valign="bottom" style="border-right-style: none; border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style: none; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; border-top-style: solid; border-top-color: rgb(221, 221, 221); border-top-width: 1pt; padding-top: 4.5pt; padding-right: 7.5pt; padding-bottom: 4.5pt; padding-left: 0cm; "><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; line-height: 18pt; "><span style="font-size: 11.5pt; font-family: inherit, serif; color: rgb(55, 55, 55); ">100% hybrid<o:p></o:p></span></div></td></tr><tr><td valign="bottom" style="border-right-style: none; border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style: none; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; border-top-style: solid; border-top-color: rgb(221, 221, 221); border-top-width: 1pt; padding-top: 4.5pt; padding-right: 7.5pt; padding-bottom: 4.5pt; padding-left: 0cm; "><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; line-height: 18pt; "><span style="font-size: 11.5pt; font-family: inherit, serif; color: rgb(55, 55, 55); ">< £3000<o:p></o:p></span></div></td><td valign="bottom" style="border-right-style: none; border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style: none; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; border-top-style: solid; border-top-color: rgb(221, 221, 221); border-top-width: 1pt; padding-top: 4.5pt; padding-right: 7.5pt; padding-bottom: 4.5pt; padding-left: 0cm; "><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; line-height: 18pt; "><span style="font-size: 11.5pt; font-family: inherit, serif; color: rgb(55, 55, 55); ">5.971 – 15.710<o:p></o:p></span></div></td><td valign="bottom" style="border-right-style: none; border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style: none; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; border-top-style: solid; border-top-color: rgb(221, 221, 221); border-top-width: 1pt; padding-top: 4.5pt; padding-right: 7.5pt; padding-bottom: 4.5pt; padding-left: 0cm; "><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; line-height: 18pt; "><span style="font-size: 11.5pt; font-family: inherit, serif; color: rgb(55, 55, 55); ">12.363<o:p></o:p></span></div></td><td valign="bottom" style="border-right-style: none; border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style: none; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; border-top-style: solid; border-top-color: rgb(221, 221, 221); border-top-width: 1pt; padding-top: 4.5pt; padding-right: 7.5pt; padding-bottom: 4.5pt; padding-left: 0cm; "><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; line-height: 18pt; "><span style="font-size: 11.5pt; font-family: inherit, serif; color: rgb(55, 55, 55); ">10.881<o:p></o:p></span></div></td><td valign="bottom" style="border-right-style: none; border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style: none; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; border-top-style: solid; border-top-color: rgb(221, 221, 221); border-top-width: 1pt; padding-top: 4.5pt; padding-right: 7.5pt; padding-bottom: 4.5pt; padding-left: 0cm; "><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; line-height: 18pt; "><span style="font-size: 11.5pt; font-family: inherit, serif; color: rgb(55, 55, 55); ">17<o:p></o:p></span></div></td><td valign="bottom" style="border-right-style: none; border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style: none; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; border-top-style: solid; border-top-color: rgb(221, 221, 221); border-top-width: 1pt; padding-top: 4.5pt; padding-right: 7.5pt; padding-bottom: 4.5pt; padding-left: 0cm; "><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; line-height: 18pt; "><span style="font-size: 11.5pt; font-family: inherit, serif; color: rgb(55, 55, 55); ">100% hybrid<o:p></o:p></span></div></td></tr></tbody></table><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">The hugely elevated costs for some high impact factor journals are plainly not justified, and is another reason why the fascination with impact factors is detrimental.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Put simply, looking at the figures large research institutions cannot afford Gold OA as it currently stands so Green OA will have to step up and be counted.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Theo<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Ross Mounce [mailto:ross.mounce@gmail.com]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>12 October 2012 15:39<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci); ANDREW Theo<br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [GOAL] Gold OA: Publication costs and journal impact factors<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Dear Theo, <o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">That link didn't work for me. I agree with those observations. I also find it ludicrous that such 'high impact factor' journals feel they can charge much higher prices for hybrid gold (even though they provide exactly the same services) relative to the 'lower impact factor' journals who may even be of a higher technical quality e.g. Pensoft Publishing journals & and their XML and other additional services.<br><br>Have you seen my plot of Gold OA prices by publisher/society? <o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><a href="http://rossmounce.co.uk/2012/09/04/the-gold-oa-plot-v0-2/" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://rossmounce.co.uk/2012/09/04/the-gold-oa-plot-v0-2/</a><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">and version 0.1 here <a href="http://rossmounce.co.uk/2012/08/30/a-visualization-of-gold-open-access-options/" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://rossmounce.co.uk/2012/08/30/a-visualization-of-gold-open-access-options/</a><br><br>The data behind this is also freely available here: <o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><a href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AtbO6mZEvieCdDFzdkVNQld6Mnc5NEpGWVlRUVhvM3c" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AtbO6mZEvieCdDFzdkVNQld6Mnc5NEpGWVlRUVhvM3c</a><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">perhaps it might be nice to merge our data if there is any overlap?<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Best,<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Ross<br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">On 12 October 2012 15:11, ANDREW Theo <<a href="mailto:Theo.Andrew@ed.ac.uk" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">Theo.Andrew@ed.ac.uk</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Dear All,<br><br>I'd like to draw your attention to a piece of work we have carried out which looks at Gold OA fees and journal impact factors:<br><br><a href="http://libraryblogs.is.ed.ac.uk/openscholarship/2012/10/02/impact-cost/" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://libraryblogs.is.ed.ac.uk/openscholarship/2012/10/02/impact-cost/</a><br><br>In short, it appears that 1) hybrid journals generally charge more than full OA journals independent of journal impact factor, and 2) hybrid journals with high impact factors charge significantly more than other types of journal for gold open access.<br><br>I find this apparent correlation between journal impact factor and cost worrying and would welcome feedback. Is this something that other people are seeing or have we got our facts wrong?<br><br>Kind regards, Theo<br>__________________________<br>Theo Andrew<br>Research Publications Service<br>Edinburgh University Library<br><br>tel. 0131 651 3850<br>web. <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://bit.ly/UoE-RPS" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://bit.ly/UoE-RPS</a><br>post. 4 Buccleuch Place,<br> Edinburgh, EH8 9LW.<br>skype. theoandrew<br><span style="color: rgb(136, 136, 136); "><br><br><span class="hoenzb">--</span><br><span class="hoenzb">The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in</span><br><span class="hoenzb">Scotland, with registration number SC005336.</span><br><br><br><span class="hoenzb">_______________________________________________</span><br><span class="hoenzb">GOAL mailing list</span><br><span class="hoenzb"><a href="mailto:GOAL@eprints.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">GOAL@eprints.org</a></span><br><span class="hoenzb"><a href="http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal</a></span></span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><br><br clear="all"><o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">--<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>--<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-<br>Ross Mounce<br>PhD Student & Open Knowledge Foundation Panton Fellow<br>Fossils, Phylogeny and Macroevolution Research Group<br>University of Bath, 4 South Building, Lab 1.07<br><a href="http://about.me/rossmounce" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://about.me/rossmounce</a><br>-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-<o:p></o:p></div></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>GOAL mailing list<br><a href="mailto:GOAL@eprints.org">GOAL@eprints.org</a><br>http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal</div></span></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>