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Here’s a sanitised extract of the data:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><table class=MsoNormalTable border=1 cellpadding=0 width=584 style='width:438.0pt;background:white;border:none;border-bottom:solid #DDDDDD 1.0pt'><tr><td valign=bottom style='border:none;border-top:solid #DDDDDD 1.0pt;padding:4.5pt 7.5pt 4.5pt 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:18.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"inherit","serif";color:#373737'>Price range<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td valign=bottom style='border:none;border-top:solid #DDDDDD 1.0pt;padding:4.5pt 7.5pt 4.5pt 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:18.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"inherit","serif";color:#373737'>JIF Range<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td valign=bottom style='border:none;border-top:solid #DDDDDD 1.0pt;padding:4.5pt 7.5pt 4.5pt 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:18.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"inherit","serif";color:#373737'>JIF Mean<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td valign=bottom style='border:none;border-top:solid #DDDDDD 1.0pt;padding:4.5pt 7.5pt 4.5pt 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:18.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"inherit","serif";color:#373737'>JIF Median<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td valign=bottom style='border:none;border-top:solid #DDDDDD 1.0pt;padding:4.5pt 7.5pt 4.5pt 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:18.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"inherit","serif";color:#373737'>Number of articles<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td valign=bottom style='border:none;border-top:solid #DDDDDD 1.0pt;padding:4.5pt 7.5pt 4.5pt 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:18.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"inherit","serif";color:#373737'>Type<o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr><tr><td valign=bottom style='border:none;border-top:solid #DDDDDD 1.0pt;padding:4.5pt 7.5pt 4.5pt 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:18.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"inherit","serif";color:#373737'>£0-£999<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td valign=bottom style='border:none;border-top:solid #DDDDDD 1.0pt;padding:4.5pt 7.5pt 4.5pt 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:18.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"inherit","serif";color:#373737'>2.263 – 10.472<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td valign=bottom style='border:none;border-top:solid #DDDDDD 1.0pt;padding:4.5pt 7.5pt 4.5pt 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:18.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"inherit","serif";color:#373737'>4.849<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td valign=bottom style='border:none;border-top:solid #DDDDDD 1.0pt;padding:4.5pt 7.5pt 4.5pt 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:18.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"inherit","serif";color:#373737'>4.537<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td valign=bottom style='border:none;border-top:solid #DDDDDD 1.0pt;padding:4.5pt 7.5pt 4.5pt 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:18.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"inherit","serif";color:#373737'>41<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td valign=bottom style='border:none;border-top:solid #DDDDDD 1.0pt;padding:4.5pt 7.5pt 4.5pt 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:18.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"inherit","serif";color:#373737'>44% hybrid 56% full OA<o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr><tr><td valign=bottom style='border:none;border-top:solid #DDDDDD 1.0pt;padding:4.5pt 7.5pt 4.5pt 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:18.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"inherit","serif";color:#373737'>£1000-£1999<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td valign=bottom style='border:none;border-top:solid #DDDDDD 1.0pt;padding:4.5pt 7.5pt 4.5pt 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:18.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"inherit","serif";color:#373737'>0.856 -15.389<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td valign=bottom style='border:none;border-top:solid #DDDDDD 1.0pt;padding:4.5pt 7.5pt 4.5pt 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:18.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"inherit","serif";color:#373737'>6.328<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td valign=bottom style='border:none;border-top:solid #DDDDDD 1.0pt;padding:4.5pt 7.5pt 4.5pt 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:18.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"inherit","serif";color:#373737'>5.117<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td valign=bottom style='border:none;border-top:solid #DDDDDD 1.0pt;padding:4.5pt 7.5pt 4.5pt 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:18.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"inherit","serif";color:#373737'>108<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td valign=bottom style='border:none;border-top:solid #DDDDDD 1.0pt;padding:4.5pt 7.5pt 4.5pt 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:18.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"inherit","serif";color:#373737'>63% hybrid 37% full OA<o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr><tr><td valign=bottom style='border:none;border-top:solid #DDDDDD 1.0pt;padding:4.5pt 7.5pt 4.5pt 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:18.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"inherit","serif";color:#373737'>£2000-£2999<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td valign=bottom style='border:none;border-top:solid #DDDDDD 1.0pt;padding:4.5pt 7.5pt 4.5pt 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:18.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"inherit","serif";color:#373737'>0.986 – 12.594<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td valign=bottom style='border:none;border-top:solid #DDDDDD 1.0pt;padding:4.5pt 7.5pt 4.5pt 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:18.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"inherit","serif";color:#373737'>4.411<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td valign=bottom style='border:none;border-top:solid #DDDDDD 1.0pt;padding:4.5pt 7.5pt 4.5pt 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:18.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"inherit","serif";color:#373737'>3.441<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td valign=bottom style='border:none;border-top:solid #DDDDDD 1.0pt;padding:4.5pt 7.5pt 4.5pt 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:18.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"inherit","serif";color:#373737'>61<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td valign=bottom style='border:none;border-top:solid #DDDDDD 1.0pt;padding:4.5pt 7.5pt 4.5pt 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:18.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"inherit","serif";color:#373737'>100% hybrid<o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr><tr><td valign=bottom style='border:none;border-top:solid #DDDDDD 1.0pt;padding:4.5pt 7.5pt 4.5pt 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:18.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"inherit","serif";color:#373737'>< £3000<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td valign=bottom style='border:none;border-top:solid #DDDDDD 1.0pt;padding:4.5pt 7.5pt 4.5pt 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:18.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"inherit","serif";color:#373737'>5.971 – 15.710<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td valign=bottom style='border:none;border-top:solid #DDDDDD 1.0pt;padding:4.5pt 7.5pt 4.5pt 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:18.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"inherit","serif";color:#373737'>12.363<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td valign=bottom style='border:none;border-top:solid #DDDDDD 1.0pt;padding:4.5pt 7.5pt 4.5pt 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:18.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"inherit","serif";color:#373737'>10.881<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td valign=bottom style='border:none;border-top:solid #DDDDDD 1.0pt;padding:4.5pt 7.5pt 4.5pt 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:18.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"inherit","serif";color:#373737'>17<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td valign=bottom style='border:none;border-top:solid #DDDDDD 1.0pt;padding:4.5pt 7.5pt 4.5pt 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:18.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"inherit","serif";color:#373737'>100% hybrid<o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr></table><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The hugely elevated costs for some high impact factor journals are plainly not justified, and is another reason why the fascination with impact factors is detrimental.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Put simply, looking at the figures large research institutions cannot afford Gold OA as it currently stands so Green OA will have to step up and be counted.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Theo<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Ross Mounce [mailto:ross.mounce@gmail.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> 12 October 2012 15:39<br><b>To:</b> Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci); ANDREW Theo<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [GOAL] Gold OA: Publication costs and journal impact factors<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Dear Theo, <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>That link didn't work for me. I agree with those observations. I also find it ludicrous that such 'high impact factor' journals feel they can charge much higher prices for hybrid gold (even though they provide exactly the same services) relative to the 'lower impact factor' journals who may even be of a higher technical quality e.g. Pensoft Publishing journals & and their XML and other additional services.<br><br>Have you seen my plot of Gold OA prices by publisher/society? <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://rossmounce.co.uk/2012/09/04/the-gold-oa-plot-v0-2/">http://rossmounce.co.uk/2012/09/04/the-gold-oa-plot-v0-2/</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>and version 0.1 here <a href="http://rossmounce.co.uk/2012/08/30/a-visualization-of-gold-open-access-options/">http://rossmounce.co.uk/2012/08/30/a-visualization-of-gold-open-access-options/</a><br><br>The data behind this is also freely available here: <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AtbO6mZEvieCdDFzdkVNQld6Mnc5NEpGWVlRUVhvM3c">https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AtbO6mZEvieCdDFzdkVNQld6Mnc5NEpGWVlRUVhvM3c</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>perhaps it might be nice to merge our data if there is any overlap?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Best,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Ross<br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 12 October 2012 15:11, ANDREW Theo <<a href="mailto:Theo.Andrew@ed.ac.uk" target="_blank">Theo.Andrew@ed.ac.uk</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Dear All,<br><br>I'd like to draw your attention to a piece of work we have carried out which looks at Gold OA fees and journal impact factors:<br><br><a href="http://libraryblogs.is.ed.ac.uk/openscholarship/2012/10/02/impact-cost/" target="_blank">http://libraryblogs.is.ed.ac.uk/openscholarship/2012/10/02/impact-cost/</a><br><br>In short, it appears that 1) hybrid journals generally charge more than full OA journals independent of journal impact factor, and 2) hybrid journals with high impact factors charge significantly more than other types of journal for gold open access.<br><br>I find this apparent correlation between journal impact factor and cost worrying and would welcome feedback. Is this something that other people are seeing or have we got our facts wrong?<br><br>Kind regards, Theo<br>__________________________<br>Theo Andrew<br>Research Publications Service<br>Edinburgh University Library<br><br>tel. 0131 651 3850<br>web. <a href="http://bit.ly/UoE-RPS" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/UoE-RPS</a><br>post. 4 Buccleuch Place,<br> Edinburgh, EH8 9LW.<br>skype. theoandrew<br><span style='color:#888888'><br><br><span class=hoenzb>--</span><br><span class=hoenzb>The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in</span><br><span class=hoenzb>Scotland, with registration number SC005336.</span><br><br><br><span class=hoenzb>_______________________________________________</span><br><span class=hoenzb>GOAL mailing list</span><br><span class=hoenzb><a href="mailto:GOAL@eprints.org">GOAL@eprints.org</a></span><br><span class=hoenzb><a href="http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal" target="_blank">http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal</a></span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>-- <br>-- <br>-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-<br>Ross Mounce<br>PhD Student & Open Knowledge Foundation Panton Fellow<br>Fossils, Phylogeny and Macroevolution Research Group<br>University of Bath, 4 South Building, Lab 1.07<br><a href="http://about.me/rossmounce" target="_blank">http://about.me/rossmounce</a><br>-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></body></html>