<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">I agree that portraying 'green' OA as not providing 'real' OA is to be avoided. "Real OA" has become a wholly meaningless term, due to the proliferation of different perceptions that has taken place, unintentionally or deliberately. Instead, using the unambiguous "BOAI-compliant OA" is to be recommended.<div><br></div><div>(i) Observing that Gratis Green OA and its mandates do not (necessarily) provide BOAI-compliant OA is just observing a fact; not "deprecating Gratis Green OA". </div><div>(ii) I'm not aware of anybody advocating mandates for BOAI-compliant 'green' OA. Advocating BOAI-compliant 'green' OA, emphatically yes. Mandating it, no.</div><div>(iii) I'm not aware of anybody advocating mandates for 'gold' OA. Examples, please, if you have them. Preferences, yes. Mandates, no.</div><div>(iv) See (iii).</div><div><br></div><div>Jan Velterop</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On 10 Oct 2012, at 22:27, Stevan Harnad wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 4:53 PM, Jan Velterop <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:velterop@gmail.com" target="_blank">velterop@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Jean-Claude,<br>
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I get that. But I have a question that I don't think has been answered yet. I'll phrase the question differently: Do you think that going for libre wherever we can, impedes the chances of achieving gratis where libre is not currently realistically possible?<br>
</blockquote><div><br></div><div>If I may be permitted to venture a reply too:</div><div><br></div><div>An author going for libre whenever he can and wants to is perfectly fine, whether it means (1) negotiating with a subscription publisher for libre Green or (2) paying a Gold publisher for libre Gold (if the author has the funds and wants to).</div>
<div><br></div><div>What's not fine is (i) deprecating Gratis Green OA or Gratis Green OA mandates as not providing "real" OA -- or, equally, (ii) advocating "upgrading" mandates to (impossible) Libre Green mandates. Or (iii) advocating paying for Gold *instead of* mandating (Gratis) Green. Or (iv) advocating mandating Gold instead of mandating (Gratis) Green.</div>
<div><br></div><div>(i) - (iv) amount to passing over the better in the name of reaching the best (when the better is within reach and the best is not)</div><div><br></div><div>Stevan Harnad</div><div><br></div></div><br></div>
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