<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 9:14 AM, Dan Stowell <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dan.stowell@eecs.qmul.ac.uk" target="_blank">dan.stowell@eecs.qmul.ac.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Hi all,<br>
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Some points re this discussion:<br>
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Helen wrote:<br></div></blockquote><div><br>Heather??<br> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="im">
> 1. CC-BY is not necessary for data and text-mining. Internet search engines such as google and social media companies do extensive data and text mining, and they do not limit themselves to CC-BY material. This is true even in the EU, so is not prevented by the EU's support for copyright of data. To illustrate: if data and text-mining is not permissible without CC-BY, then Google must shut down, immediately.<br>
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</div>This point is a bit weird. Firstly, just because Google is doing<br>
something and getting away with it, doesn't mean a lone academic can be<br>
confident of doing something similar and getting away with it. I was<br>
always amazed by how brazenly Youtube set up its service *before* making<br>
agreements with the major media companies, when I would have assumed<br>
they would have been sued out of existence.<br>
<br></blockquote><div> Completely agree with Dan. Licences are critical for data. That is why we spent 2 years creating the Panton Principles for Scientific data with the result that we strongly recommend and explicit licence such as CCZero. The large content-oriented companies get away with a huge amount and there is a Faustian acceptance that they do a good job for academia by apparenty breaking rights, while academics are prevented from doing the same. <br>
<br>This is why it is urgent that repositories work as hard as possible to make the content available in as Open a form as possible. Many repos do the reverse, adding additional clauses of their own preventing re-use. They are often of the form "You cannot re-use this content in any way without the permission of the individual copyright owners". <br>
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The Open Database Licence also appears to assert "that digital material<br>
<div class="im">must be made available in a readily machine-interpretable form"<br>
</div><<a href="http://opendatacommons.org/licenses/odbl/summary/" target="_blank">http://opendatacommons.org/licenses/odbl/summary/</a>> though I'm less<br>
familiar with that (see the "Keep open" part of the summary).<br>
<br></blockquote><div>Yes. This means that a database provider who wishes to conform should make it as easy as possible to discover and re-use the data. <br clear="all"></div></div><br>-- <br>Peter Murray-Rust<br>Reader in Molecular Informatics<br>
Unilever Centre, Dep. Of Chemistry<br>University of Cambridge<br>CB2 1EW, UK<br>+44-1223-763069<br>