<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 9:04 PM, Guédon Jean-Claude <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jean.claude.guedon@umontreal.ca" target="_blank">jean.claude.guedon@umontreal.ca</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Jan,<br>
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Please read again what I wrote. I repeat:<br>
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"The only concern one should have in this kind of tactical choice is whether the intermediate step may act against the ideal goal. In this particular case, I do not see how going first for gratis, and then for libre, would impede the goal of ultimately reaching libre."<br>
<br></blockquote><div><br> I hate to use "libre" in an OA context as it's operationally meaningless. You could probably argue that most Green is already OA-libre as it removes "some" permission barriers (e.g. the permission to copy for dark-archival). So I suggest we use BOAI or CC-BY in further discussions.<br>
<br>The problem is that this is a serial approach and suffers from at least:<br>* it takes at least twice as long<br>* the world doesn't stand still.<br><br>Let's hypothesize that we could achieve 80% green (visible Green, not hidden AlmostVisible) in 7 years' time. (I think that's optimistic). Are we then "allowed" to initiate a CC-BY activity? And by that time the nature of publication will have changed dramatically (because if it doesn't academia will be seriously out of step with this the philosophy and practice of this century). <br>
<br>We have to proceed in parallel. No-one - not even SH - can predict the future accurately. I believe that Green-CC-BY is possible and that if we do it on a coherent positive basis it can work. There is no legal reason why we cannot archive Green CC-BY and it is not currently explicitly prevented by any publisher I know of. Try it - rapidly - and see what happens. My guess is that a lot of publishers will let it go forward.<br>
<br>The publishers own the citation space. It is their manuscript which is the citable one. Green-CC-BY doesn't remove that. Actually it makes it better because it will increase citations through all the enhancements we can add to re-usable manuscripts.<br>
<br>And I will state again that for my purposes (and those of many others) Green CC-BY gives me everything I want without , I believe, destroying the publishers' market.<br><br>We are in a period of very rapid technical and social change and we need to be actively changing the world of scholarship, not waiting for others to constrain our future.<br>
<br>P.<br></div></div><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Peter Murray-Rust<br>Reader in Molecular Informatics<br>Unilever Centre, Dep. Of Chemistry<br>University of Cambridge<br>CB2 1EW, UK<br>+44-1223-763069<br>