<html><head><base href="x-msg://1995/"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial">The Finch report incorrectly stated that Green OA self-archiving has failed.</font><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial">In reality, RCUK failed to create any deposit compliance verification mechanism.</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial">The new RCUK OA Policy, in its anxiety to comply with BIS/Finch/Willets has again, </font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial">instead of fixing ghe obvious problem with the existing mandate -- adding an Green </font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial">deposit compliance mechanism -- has again focussed on compliance with the rush </font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial">to pay for Gold:</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial"><br></font></div><div><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); display: inline !important; float: none; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial">If the UK wants 100% UK OA within two years, it need only add </font></span></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial"><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); display: inline !important; float: none; ">the following simple, cost-effective </span><a href="http://openaccess.eprints.org/index.php?/archives/369-guid.html" style="color: rgb(0, 51, 102); text-decoration: underline; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">compliance verification mechanism</a><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); display: inline !important; float: none; ">: </span></font></div><div><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); display: inline !important; float: none; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial"><br></font></span></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial"><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); display: inline !important; float: none; ">(1) Deposit must be in the fundee's </span><a href="http://roar.eprints.org/" style="color: rgb(0, 51, 102); text-decoration: underline; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">institutional repository</a><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); display: inline !important; float: none; ">. </span></font></div><div><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); display: inline !important; float: none; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial">(This makes each UK institution responsible for monitoring </font></span></div><div><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); display: inline !important; float: none; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial">and verifying timely compliance.) </font></span></div><div><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); display: inline !important; float: none; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial"><br></font></span></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial"><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); display: inline !important; float: none; ">(2) All articles must be </span><a href="http://openaccess.eprints.org/index.php?/archives/71-guid.html" style="color: rgb(0, 51, 102); text-decoration: underline; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">deposited immediately</a><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); display: inline !important; float: none; "> upon acceptance for publication. </span></font></div><div><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); display: inline !important; float: none; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial">(Publisher embargoes apply only to the date on which the deposit is made OA.) </font></span></div><div><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); display: inline !important; float: none; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial"><br></font></span></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial"><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); display: inline !important; float: none; ">(3) Repository deposit must be designated the </span><a href="http://openaccess.eprints.org/index.php?/archives/864-Integrating-Institutional-and-Funder-Open-Access-Mandates-Belgian-Model.html" style="color: rgb(0, 51, 102); text-decoration: underline; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">sole mechanism</a><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); display: inline !important; float: none; "> for </span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial"><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); display: inline !important; float: none; ">submitting publications for UK research assessment (</span><a href="http://www.eprints.org/ref2014/" style="color: rgb(0, 51, 102); text-decoration: underline; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">REF</a><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); display: inline !important; float: none; ">).</span></font></div><div><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); display: inline !important; float: none; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial"><br></font></span></div><div><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); display: inline !important; float: none; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial">(4) Provide authors with rich metrics on usage and citations,</font></span></div><div><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); display: inline !important; float: none; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial">as a reward for deposit and as evidence of its benefits for </font></span></div><div><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); display: inline !important; float: none; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial">usage and imact.</font></span></div><div><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); display: inline !important; float: none; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial"><br></font></span></div><div><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); display: inline !important; float: none; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial">And settle for Gratis Green OA initially, rather than over-reaching</font></span></div><div><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); display: inline !important; float: none; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial">for CC-BY: It's much less urgent, has far bigger publisher-opposition,</font></span></div><div><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); display: inline !important; float: none; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial">and will come, by and by, once we have mandated global gratis Green OA.</font></span></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial">Stevan Harnad</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial"><br></font></div><div><div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial">On 2012-09-28, at 7:49 AM, BISSET J. wrote:</font></div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial"><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></font><blockquote type="cite"><div fpstyle="1" ocsi="0"><div style="direction: ltr; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); "><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial">Hi all,<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial">At an event last night held at Imperial College (<a href="http://scicommforum.eventbrite.co.uk/">http://scicommforum.eventbrite.co.uk/</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>, great discussion about OA, RCUK policy, purpose of repositories etc.) I raised a question I had previously asked RCUK directly via email (see below) but had received no response.<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; "><u><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial">Question:<o:p></o:p></font></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial">(i) From the context of an institution with an open access mandate in place requiring self-archiving in the institutional repository, but which like many other institutions still has some work to achieve 100% compliance...<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial">(ii) Taking into account the<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><u>explicit</u><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>requirement for deposit from, for example, Wellcome and some of the Research Councils...<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial">Have myself and colleagues (a) misunderstood RCUK policy, (b) is the wording not as tight as it should be or (c) or is it as it is and that is what is intended when the policy seems to:-<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial">1) Require authors to publish in 'compliant' journals<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial">2) Indicate that to be compliant, journals must<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><u>allow</u><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>deposit in other repositories<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial">but...<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial">3) there appears to be no explicit push (although implied) to actually<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><u>require</u><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>deposit, nor an indication of where this responsibility should lie to make the deposit or check that deposit has occurred.<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; "><u><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial">Response<o:p></o:p></font></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial">This followed on from several questions about green OA, self-archiving, publisher archiving and repositories.<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial">Mark Thorley's response included comment about RCUK "thinking about being more co-ordinated ... still a piece of work to be done ... watch this space" and later a Tweet from Alexandra Saxon, head of Comms at RCUK:<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; "><i><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial">"...When we announce details of the block grant we will clarify wording in policy / guidance #icoa"<o:p></o:p></font></i></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial">Mike Taylor from Bristol also kindly did a quick check and came back with:<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial"><i>"#icoa Actually wording IS clear: RCUK "will accept a delay of no more than six months between on-line publication and a paper becoming OA"</i><o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial">... admitting it was 'by the skin of their teeth'. I thought "great" - we just must have really misread it.<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial"><u>Still unclear</u><o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial">But having now re-read the policy (again), I still don't think it is as clear as it could be<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><u>if</u><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>RCUK do expect deposit to be made (either following Gold or green route).<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial">Now, there is a much wider discussion around this about usage licences, institutional vs subject repositories, green vs gold, whether publishers or authors should deposit, visbility of repository material and hybrid OA articles. That has been plenty discussed elsewhere, and still is, and needs to be.<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial">But can I please clarify with anyone else if others take the same reading as we have from the policy as it stands:-<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial">a) Section 3 clearly states the<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><u>requirements on researchers</u>, which include to publish in compliant journals. No mention of deposit required.<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial">b) Section 4 then goes on to describe how a journal can be considered 'compliant'. Through either of the two options given, it states that "the journal must allow deposit".<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial">As Mike Taylor points out, it also then goes on to say (under the second, green oa option)...<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial"><i>"the journal must allow deposit of Accepted Manuscripts that include all changes resulting from peer review ... Research Councils will accept a delay of no more than six months between on-line publication and a research paper becoming Open Access, except in the case of research papers arising from research funded by the AHRC and the ESRC where the maximum embargo period is 12 months."</i><o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial">But the way we have read this is that,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><u>in order to be compliant</u><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>(it is in the section on how an author can identify if a journal is compliant, and follows on from the start of the sentence which says a journal must allow, not act upon) research councils will accept no delay longer than 6/12 months when a journal will<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><u>allow</u><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>deposit.<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial">We cannot see any clearly expressed requirement or allocation of responsibility either for:-<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial">i) the journal to deposit in a specific subject respository, or<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial">ii) the author to then act upon the journal deposit policy and self-archive, or<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial">iii) the author to be responsible for ensuring deposit has occurred (either by self-archiving or publisher archiving).<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial">I therefore think there is a risk that this aspect of the policy would be difficult to enforce as it is currently phrased.<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial">I'd be very interested to hear others thoughts or readings on this. It is of course very picky, and I concur with Professor Stephen Curry in congratulating Mark Thorley and RCUK, but as a means of trying to make sure OA is pursued with vigour, the current phrasing appears to be not as tight as it could be.<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial">Kind regards<o:p></o:p></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial">James</font></p><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font color="#1f497d">James Bisset</font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font color="#1f497d"></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font color="#1f497d">Academic Liaison Librarian (Research Support)</font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font color="#1f497d">Durham University Library</font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font color="#1f497d">Stockton Road</font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font color="#1f497d">Durham DH1 3LY</font><font color="#1f497d"><br></font><font color="#1f497d"><br></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font color="#1f497d">Twitter: @bissetjm</font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font color="#1f497d">Tel: +44 (0)191 334 1586</font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font color="#1f497d"></font> </div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font color="#1f497d">-----------------------------------------------------------</font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font color="#1f497d"></font> </div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font color="#1f497d"><p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; "></p><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); "><hr tabindex="-1"><div id="divRpF456334" style="direction: ltr; "><font color="#000000"><b>From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>BISSET J.<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>26 July 2012 14:07<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>'<a href="mailto:info@rcuk.ac.uk">info@rcuk.ac.uk</a>'<br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Open Access policy: Cllarification of our uinderstanding - no explicit requirement to deposit o authors or publishers.<br></font><br></div><div></div><div><div class="WordSection1"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; ">Dear RCUK,</div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; "></p><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; ">Apologies, I was not sure which contact address might be preferable. Following a meeting with colleagues, we are concerned/confused by one aspect of the recent announcement on access to research outputs. Could we please ask for clarification of our understanding, and if in fact there might be an omission from the statement.</div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; "></p><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; ">Your statement stipulates that researchers in receipt of funding from Research Councils must be published in<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><u>journals which are compliant</u><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>with your policy on open access.</div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; "></p><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; ">The policy then indicates the two requirements for recognition as<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><u>the journal</u><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>being considered to be compliant:-</div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; "></p><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; "><span style="color: rgb(0, 112, 192); ">The Research Councils will recognise a journal as being compliant with their policy on Open Access if:</span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; "></p><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; text-indent: -18pt; margin-left: 36pt; "><span style="color: rgb(0, 112, 192); "><span>1)<span style="font: normal normal normal 7pt/normal 'Times New Roman'; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span style="color: rgb(0, 112, 192); ">The journal provides via its own website immediate and unrestricted access to the publisher’s final version of the paper (the Version of Record), and<b><u>allows</u></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>immediate deposit of the Version of Record in other repositories without restriction on re-use. This may involve payment of an ‘Article Processing Charge’ (APC) to the publisher. The CC-BY license should be used in this case.</span><span style="color: rgb(0, 112, 192); "></span></div><p class="Default" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 36pt; "><span style="color: rgb(0, 112, 192); "></span></p><p class="Default" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 6pt; margin-left: 18pt; margin-right: 0cm; "><span style="color: rgb(0, 112, 192); ">Or</span></p><p class="Default" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 6pt; text-indent: -18pt; margin-left: 36pt; margin-right: 0cm; "><span style="color: rgb(0, 112, 192); "><span>2)<span style="font: normal normal normal 7pt/normal 'Times New Roman'; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span style="color: rgb(0, 112, 192); ">Where a publisher does not offer option 1 above, the journal must<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b><u>allow</u></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>deposit of Accepted Manuscripts that include all changes resulting from peer review (but not necessarily incorporating the publisher’s formatting) in other repositories, without restrictions on non-commercial re-use and within a defined period. In this option no ‘Article Processing Charge’ will be payable to the publisher. Research Councils will accept a delay of no more than six months between on-line publication and a research paper becoming Open Access, except in the case of research papers arising from research funded by the AHRC and the ESRC where the maximum embargo period is 12 months.</span></p><p class="Default" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; "></p><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; ">Our confusion is this:-</div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; "></p><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; ">The policy seems to place an emphasis on publishers that they must<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><u>allow</u><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>articles to be deposited in other repositories (either with or without a fee and embargo). However, there is no actual explicit direction for publishers or authors to actually<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><u>take action</u><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>to make that deposit. This section (4) of the policy stipulates the criteria which will lead to the Research Councils recognising<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><u>a journal<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></u>as being compliant.</div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; "></p><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; ">Whilst the embargo limitation does stipulate:-</div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; "></p><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; "><span style="color: rgb(0, 112, 192); ">”Research Councils will accept a delay of no more than six months between on-line publication and a research paper becoming Open Access, except in the case of research papers arising from research funded by the AHRC and the ESRC where the maximum embargo period is 12 months.”</span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; "></p><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; ">… we could see two potential issues:-<br><br>1) If published via option 1, gold open access is provided and green access permitted and expected, but not explicitly enforced on either the publisher or author.</div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; "></p><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; ">.. and more worryingly,</div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; "></p><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; ">2) If published via option 2, the publisher may allow green after 6/12 months, and RCUK may expect a journal to not prevent deposit within this time… but we cannot see any explicit wording to indicate where the responsibility lies to ensure deposit occurs. If this was to be used to block funding to a researcher as a penalty for not depositing, could an author argue that the requirement is only stated as an indication as to compliance by the journal, and<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>not a requirement for specific action by the author</b>?</div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; "></p><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; ">We would very much like to see RCUK’s statement used as a means to encourage 100% compliance with making research council funded research open access and deposit in appropriate repositories, but if we have not misread the policy, we are concerned that we will in fact still face the same difficulties in encouraging authors and/or publishers to actually take the actions required to deposit.</div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; "></p><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; ">Has this been deliberately, or mistakenly, omitted from the policy, or have we just missed this in our reading of the policy? Any clarification would be much appreciated?</div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; "></p><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; ">Kind regards</div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; "></p><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; ">James</div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; "></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; "></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; "></p><div style="border-bottom-color: windowtext; border-bottom-width: 1.5pt; border-bottom-style: solid; border-left-width: medium; border-left-style: none; border-left-color: initial; padding-bottom: 1pt; padding-left: 0cm; padding-right: 0cm; border-top-width: medium; border-top-style: none; border-top-color: initial; border-right-width: medium; border-right-style: none; border-right-color: initial; padding-top: 0cm; "><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; border-bottom-width: medium; border-bottom-style: none; border-bottom-color: initial; border-left-width: medium; border-left-style: none; border-left-color: initial; padding-bottom: 0cm; padding-left: 0cm; padding-right: 0cm; border-top-width: medium; border-top-style: none; border-top-color: initial; border-right-width: medium; border-right-style: none; border-right-color: initial; padding-top: 0cm; "></p></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; ">James Bisset</div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; "></p><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; ">Academic Liaison Librarian (Research Support)</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; ">Durham University Library</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; ">Stockton Road</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; ">Durham DH1 3LY</div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; "></p><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; ">Tel: +44 (0)191 334 1586</div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; "></p></div></div></div></font></div><o:p></o:p></font></div></div></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>