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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Peter,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>you wrote : "<FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">I
am less than happy with the term "libre" which does not correspond to usage
elsewhere and is at best confusing"</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>In French we say "Les absents ont toujours tort"
(Absent people are always wrong) . </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial> It seems that in April 2008, you were
not present in the OA movement (Suber's and Harnad's
definition!!!) and specially in the American Scientist
discussions when "Libre and Gratis" appeared. Please see :
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial><A
href="http://listserver.sigmaxi.org/sc/wa.exe?A2=ind08&L=american-scientist-open-access-forum&O=D&F=l&P=37608">http://listserver.sigmaxi.org/sc/wa.exe?A2=ind08&L=american-scientist-open-access-forum&O=D&F=l&P=37608</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial> A</FONT><FONT size=2
face=Arial> research with Google Scholar with "Open Access" gives the
following results:</FONT></DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>
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<DIV><A href="http://bit.ly/OAsuberGS">http://bit.ly/OAsuberGS</A>
<B>3240</B></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV><A href="http://bit.ly/OAharnadGS">http://bit.ly/OAharnadGS</A>
<B>3740</B></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV><A href="http://bit.ly/OAmurrayrustGS">http://bit.ly/OAmurrayrustGS</A>
<B>716</B></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=757251217-29082012>The print of these<STRONG> 6980 "Open
Access</STRONG>" is too strong today, in every mind and you
cannot </SPAN>resist to what has been written about "Open Access" during all
these past years by "two individuals ", as you say. </DIV>
<DIV>(Quoted from one of your recent messages : "It is now left to one (SH)
or possibly two (PS) individuals to state what OA is." ) </DIV>
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<DIV></FONT><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Hélène Bosc<BR>Open Access to Scientific
Communication <BR><A
href="http://open-access.infodocs.eu/">http://open-access.infodocs.eu/</A></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=pm286@cam.ac.uk href="mailto:pm286@cam.ac.uk">Peter Murray-Rust</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=goal@eprints.org
href="mailto:goal@eprints.org">Global Open Access List (Successor of
AmSci)</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A
title=JISC-REPOSITORIES@jiscmail.ac.uk
href="mailto:JISC-REPOSITORIES@jiscmail.ac.uk">JISC-REPOSITORIES@jiscmail.ac.uk</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, August 29, 2012 7:29
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [GOAL] Re: Definition of OA and
its Priorities and Obstacles</DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 5:53 PM, Stevan Harnad <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:harnad@ecs.soton.ac.uk"
target=_blank>harnad@ecs.soton.ac.uk</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV>JV: "the definition of OA... is being changed... instead of any
OA achievements</DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<DIV>being measured against the goal that has been
set"</DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<DIV>The 2002 BOAI definition was refined in 2008 to name its two
constituents:</DIV>
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<DIV><A
href="http://www.earlham.edu/%7Epeters/fos/newsletter/08-02-08.htm#gratis-libre"
target=_blank>http://www.earlham.edu/%7Epeters/fos/newsletter/08-02-08.htm#gratis-libre</A></DIV></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT><BR>This statement is simply
wrong.<BR><BR>The linked resource is written by Peter Suber alone. He uses the
pronoun "I" throughout much of the mail. I applaud his efforts to describe the
situation. (I am less than happy with the term "libre" which does not
correspond to usage elsewhere and is at best confusing. But since it can
apparently mean almost removal of any condition, no matter how minor, it has
very limited use).<BR><BR>At the end Peter Suber makes it clear he is NOT
"refining BOAI". He says <BR>(<A
href="http://www.earlham.edu/~peters/fos/2008/08/greengold-oa-and-gratislibre-oa.html">http://www.earlham.edu/~peters/fos/2008/08/greengold-oa-and-gratislibre-oa.html</A>
)<BR><BR><SPAN class=rss:item><B>I'm [PS] not proposing a change in the
BBB definition</B>, and I haven't retreated an inch in my support for
it. I'm simply proposing vocabulary to help us talk unambiguously about
two species of free online access.</SPAN> [PMR's emphasis]<BR><BR>P.<BR
clear=all></DIV></DIV><BR>-- <BR>Peter Murray-Rust<BR>Reader in Molecular
Informatics<BR>Unilever Centre, Dep. Of Chemistry<BR>University of
Cambridge<BR>CB2 1EW, UK<BR>+44-1223-763069<BR>
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