<span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse:separate;font-family:Helvetica;border-spacing:0px;font-size:medium"><div class="AppleOriginalContents"><div>On 2012-08-28, at 4:26 AM, Peter Murray-Rust wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline">
<blockquote type="cite" class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">Warning: I shall get shouted down for this post.<blockquote>
On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Stevan Harnad <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:harnad@ecs.soton.ac.uk" target="_blank">harnad@ecs.soton.ac.uk</a>></span> wrote: </blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">"OA means free online access." </blockquote></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><blockquote>When and where and by whom was this decided? It is incompatible with the BBB definitions.<br>
One of the problems of "Open Access" as a movement is that the terms used (in the period after BBB) are so poorly defined as to be essentially meaningless - Humpty-Dumpty (" "When <i>I</i> use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less."). </blockquote>
</blockquote>Peter, you will not get shouted down -- but it would be a great help if you were to listen, because you have asked and been given this information now countless times. </div><div class="AppleOriginalContents">
<br></div><div class="AppleOriginalContents">There have been updates of the BBB definition of OA, which was drafted in early days and has since seen a decade of developments not envisioned or anticipated in 2002:</div><div class="AppleOriginalContents">
<a href="http://www.earlham.edu/~peters/fos/newsletter/08-02-08.htm#gratis-libre">http://www.earlham.edu/~peters/fos/newsletter/08-02-08.htm#gratis-libre</a></div><div class="AppleOriginalContents"><br></div></span><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px">
<span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse:separate;font-family:Helvetica;border-spacing:0px;font-size:medium"><div class="AppleOriginalContents">1. Free online access is Gratis OA.</div></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse:separate;font-family:Helvetica;border-spacing:0px;font-size:medium"><div class="AppleOriginalContents">
<br></div></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse:separate;font-family:Helvetica;border-spacing:0px;font-size:medium"><div class="AppleOriginalContents">2. Free online access plus (some) re-use rights is Libre OA.</div>
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3. Gratis OA is a necessary condition for Libre OA.</div></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse:separate;font-family:Helvetica;border-spacing:0px;font-size:medium"><div class="AppleOriginalContents">
<br></div></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse:separate;font-family:Helvetica;border-spacing:0px;font-size:medium"><div class="AppleOriginalContents"><div class="AppleOriginalContents">4. Over sixty percent of journals already endorse immediate, un-embargoed Green Gratis OA.</div>
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</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse:separate;font-family:Helvetica;border-spacing:0px;font-size:medium"><div class="AppleOriginalContents"><div class="AppleOriginalContents">5. In addition, about 40% more endorse Green Gratis OA after an embargo of 6-12 months.</div>
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6. Global Gratis Green OA is within reach of Green OA mandates (ID/OA + "Almost-OA" Button)</div></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse:separate;font-family:Helvetica;border-spacing:0px;font-size:medium"><div class="AppleOriginalContents">
<br></div></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse:separate;font-family:Helvetica;border-spacing:0px;font-size:medium"><div class="AppleOriginalContents">7. Libre OA is not within reach: publishers must be paid extra for it, in the form of Libre Gold OA fees, over and above the subscription fees already being paid by institutions worldwide.</div>
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8. All researchers, in all disciplines, want and need access to all refereed research, not just the journals their institutions can afford to subscribe to, i.e., Gratis OA.</div></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse:separate;font-family:Helvetica;border-spacing:0px;font-size:medium"><div class="AppleOriginalContents">
<br></div></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse:separate;font-family:Helvetica;border-spacing:0px;font-size:medium"><div class="AppleOriginalContents">9. Not all researchers, in all disciplines, want and need to provide re-use rights (Libre OA).</div>
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10. Hence Green Gratis OA is the overwhelmingly first and foremost priority.</div></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse:separate;font-family:Helvetica;border-spacing:0px;font-size:medium"><div class="AppleOriginalContents">
<br></div></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse:separate;font-family:Helvetica;border-spacing:0px;font-size:medium"><div class="AppleOriginalContents"><div class="AppleOriginalContents">11. Once Green Gratis OA is globally mandated by institutions and funders, Libre OA (and Gold OA) will follow as a natural matter of course.</div>
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</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse:separate;font-family:Helvetica;border-spacing:0px;font-size:medium"><div class="AppleOriginalContents"><div class="AppleOriginalContents">12. Your field, chemistry, would greatly benefit from Libre OA, but it is also the field whose publishers are the most dead-set against OA, whether Gratis or Libre.</div>
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</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse:separate;font-family:Helvetica;border-spacing:0px;font-size:medium"><div class="AppleOriginalContents"><div class="AppleOriginalContents">13. Your field, chemistry, like all other fields, would also greatly benefit from Gratis OA, so all researchers have access to all refereed research.</div>
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</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse:separate;font-family:Helvetica;border-spacing:0px;font-size:medium"><div class="AppleOriginalContents"><div class="AppleOriginalContents">14. First things first.</div>
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</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse:separate;font-family:Helvetica;border-spacing:0px;font-size:medium"><div class="AppleOriginalContents"><div class="AppleOriginalContents">15. The reason you get shouted down is that you keep putting the particular additional needs of your discipline ahead of the generic access needs of all disciplines.</div>
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</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse:separate;font-family:Helvetica;border-spacing:0px;font-size:medium"><div class="AppleOriginalContents"><div class="AppleOriginalContents">16. The "A" in OA stands for access; the OA movement is not the Open License movement (though it will help the OL movement along).</div>
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</div><div class="AppleOriginalContents">(Yes, Jan Velterop, for reasons of his own, also much debated in this Forum, has relentlessly insisted that substantive, strategic and pragmatic matters can somehow be settled by treating the BBB definition as if it had been Holy Writ rather than Mortal Improvisation, and as if nothing had been learned since 2002. Yes, that is at best BBB pedantry, and at worst BBB fetishism, but it certainly is not advancing the interests of all the researchers in the world, who want and need free online access but do not yet have it, in part because of BBB fetishism. Peter Murray-Rust, at least, has a discipline-specific reason for his impatience for Libre OA -- though he has no realistic means of reaching it before Gratis OA. Jan Velterop seems to be a BBB fundamentalist for ideological reasons. Jan will have to be patient, unless he comes up with a concrete and realistic strategy for reaching universal Libre OA faster than universal Green Gratis OA mandates. And -- before you ask -- Finch/RCUK is most definitely not that realistic scenario. It is a fiasco in the making, unless -- as I fervently hope -- it will still be wisely revised to correct its fatal flaws: <a href="http://digital-research.oerc.ox.ac.uk/programme/tues-am-keynote">http://digital-research.oerc.ox.ac.uk/programme/tues-am-keynote</a> )</div>
<div class="AppleOriginalContents"><br></div><div class="AppleOriginalContents">Stevan Harnad</div></div><div class="AppleOriginalContents"><br></div></span>