<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>But indeed, most reviewers +are+ paid. Reviewing is part of the academic day job and the activity is part of the reporting made to their institutions. This is the whole point here: how far may an institution go in acting as a fairy godmother to scholarly publishing.</div><div>Laurent</div><br><div><div>Le 9 août 2012 à 16:35, David Prosser a écrit :</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">I didn't say they were paid or that they should be. I merely pointed out that each and ever scholarly journal has at least some of its costs covered by 'fairy godmothers'. They all benefit from massive subsidies. The journals we are talking about here just extend those subsidies a little.<div><br></div><div>David</div><div><br><div>
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<br><div><div>On 9 Aug 2012, at 14:56, Sally Morris wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="904335313-09082012"><font color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial">As far as I am aware, peer reviewers are almost
never paid under any model (I am aware of one publisher that used to reward
rapid responses). I believe there were surveys (sorry, no reference
to hand) which indicated that everyone involved felt that it would be
inappropriate to pay peer reviewers.</font></span></div>
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<div align="left"><font size="2" face="Arial">Sally Morris</font></div>
<div align="left"><font size="2" face="Arial">South House, The Street, Clapham,
Worthing, West Sussex, UK BN13 3UU</font></div>
<div align="left"><font size="2" face="Arial">Tel: +44 (0)1903
871286</font></div>
<div align="left"><font size="2" face="Arial">Email:
<a href="mailto:sally@morris-assocs.demon.co.uk">sally@morris-assocs.demon.co.uk</a></font></div>
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<font size="2" face="Tahoma"><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:goal-bounces@eprints.org">goal-bounces@eprints.org</a>
[mailto:goal-bounces@eprints.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>David
Prosser<br><b>Sent:</b> 09 August 2012 12:08<br><b>To:</b> Global Open Access
List (Successor of AmSci)<br><b>Subject:</b> [GOAL] Re: Publications managed
byscholarly communities/institutions<br></font><br></div>
<div></div>Of course, to a greater or lesser extent all journals are supported
by the 'fairy godmother' model. With peer reviewers playing the part of
the fairy godmothers!
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<div style="WORD-WRAP: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space">David
Prosser<br><br></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></span></span></div><br>
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<div>On 9 Aug 2012, at 11:50, Sally Morris wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline">
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="721534010-09082012"><font color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial">These are all examples of the 'fairy godmother' payment
model</font></span></div>
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<div align="left"><font size="2" face="Arial">Sally Morris</font></div>
<div align="left"><font size="2" face="Arial">South House, The Street, Clapham,
Worthing, West Sussex, UK BN13 3UU</font></div>
<div align="left"><font size="2" face="Arial">Tel: +44 (0)1903
871286</font></div>
<div align="left"><font size="2" face="Arial">Email: <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a style="COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline" href="mailto:sally@morris-assocs.demon.co.uk">sally@morris-assocs.demon.co.uk</a></font></div>
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<font size="2" face="Tahoma"><b>From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a style="COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline" href="mailto:goal-bounces@eprints.org">goal-bounces@eprints.org</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[mailto:goal-bounces@eprints.org]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Reckling, Falk,
Dr.<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>09 August
2012 10:53<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Global
Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)<br><b>Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Laurent
Romary<br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[GOAL]
Re: Publications managed byscholarly
communities/institutions<br></font><br></div>
<div></div>
<div style="page: WordSection1" class="WordSection1">
<div style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">I
would add some journal form economics:<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p></o:p></span></div><pre style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">a) E-conomics (institutional funding):<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><a style="COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline" href="http://www.economics-ejournal.org/" target="_blank">http://www.economics-ejournal.org/</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">b) Theoretical Economics (society based funding): <a style="COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline" href="http://econtheory.org/" target="_blank">http://econtheory.org/</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">c) 5x IZA journals published with SpringerOpen (institutional funding by IZA):<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><a style="COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline" href="http://journals.iza.org/" target="_blank">http://journals.iza.org/</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">d) Journal of Economic Perspective (a former subscription journal but now society based funding):<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><a style="COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline" href="http://www.aeaweb.org/jep/index.php" target="_blank">http://www.aeaweb.org/jep/index.php</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p> </o:p></pre>
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and d) have an impact factor, a) and c) are new<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Björk<br><b>Gesendet:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Donnerstag, 09. August 2012
11:43<br><b>An:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Global Open
Access List (Successor of AmSci)<br><b>Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Laurent
Romary<br><b>Betreff:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[GOAL]
Re: Publications managed by scholarly
communities/institutions<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div>
<div style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p></o:p></div>
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<div style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Good
idea,<br><br>Here are four such journals, all of which have been there since
the 1990s:<br><br>Information Research<br><br>Journal of Information
Technology in Construction<br><br>Journal of Electronic
Publishing<br><br>First Monday<br><br>best regards<br><br>Bo-Christer
Björk<br><br>Journal of On 8/9/12 11:35 AM, Laurent Romary
wrote:<o:p></o:p></div></div>
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<div style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Dear
all,<o:p></o:p></div></div>
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<div style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">As
an echo to the fourth option mentioned by Peter, I would like to gather
references to journals and initiatives which are notoriously community
based. Could members of the list point to what they would be aware
of? <o:p></o:p></div></div>
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7 août 2012 à 16:11, Peter Murray-Rust a écrit :<o:p></o:p></div></div>
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Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 11:27 AM, Sally Morris <<a style="COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline" href="mailto:sally@morris-assocs.demon.co.uk" target="_blank">sally@morris-assocs.demon.co.uk</a>>
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should not delude ourselves; journals can only be 'free' if someone
pays<br>the costs.<br><br>All the work involved in creating and running a
journal has to be paid for<br>somehow - they don't magically go away if a
journal is e-only (in fact,<br>there are some new costs, even though some of
the old ones disappear).<br><br>I can only see three options for who pays:
reader-side (e.g. the library);<br>author-side (e.g. publication
fees); or 'fairy godmother' (e.g. sponsor).<o:p></o:p></div>
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is a fourth option, which works: the scholarly community manage publication
through contributed labour and resources and the net amount of cash is
near-zero. This is described in<a style="COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline" href="http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/pamphlet/2012/03/06/an-efficient-journal/">http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/pamphlet/2012/03/06/an-efficient-journal/</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>where the J. Machine Learning
Research is among the highest regarded journals in the area (top 7%) and
free-to-authors and free-to-readers. There is an enlightening debate (on
this URL) between those who run the journal and Kent Anderson of the
Scholarly Kitchen who cannot believe that people will run and work for
journals for the good of the community.<br><br>There is no law of physics
that says this doesn't scale. It is simply that most scholars would rather
the taxpayer and students paid for the administration publishing (either as
author-side or reader-side) so the scholars don't have to do the work. And
they've managed ot get 10 B USD per year. If scholars regarded publishing as
part of their role, of if they were prepared to involved the wider community
(as Wikipedia has done) we could have a much more C21 type of activity -
innovative and valuable to the whole world rather than just academia. It
would cost zero, but it would be much cheaper than any current
model.<br><br>And of course we now have a complete free map of the whole
world (<a style="COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline" href="http://openstreetmap.org/">openstreetmap.org</a>) which is so much
better than other alternatives that many people and organizations are
switching to it. And, for many years, it didn't have a bank account and
existed on "marginal resources" from UCL (and probably still
does).<br><br>But most people will regard this as another fairy
tale.<o:p></o:p></div></div>
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Molecular Informatics<br>Unilever Centre, Dep. Of Chemistry<br>University of
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