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More precisely, reviews are financed in part by the institutions that harbour the reviewers. Reviewers are not paid; they simply can transform this work into "symbolic capital" if their institution includes this kind of activity in their annual report. To that extent, it can be said that the institution acts as a fairy godmother (what an expression!!! Whoever came with that one?) by counting review time as institutional work. This said, researchers rarely work on fixed schedules. Thinking, reading, etc., does not go on from 9 to 5. Ad researchers will review, whatever their institution decides for their annual report. All this must amount to at least a seventh-degree effect, if not more.<BR>
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But indeed, most reviewers +are+ paid. Reviewing is part of the academic day job and the activity is part of the reporting made to their institutions. This is the whole point here: how far may an institution go in acting as a fairy godmother to scholarly publishing.
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I didn't say they were paid or that they should be. I merely pointed out that each and ever scholarly journal has at least some of its costs covered by 'fairy godmothers'. They all benefit from massive subsidies. The journals we are talking about here just extend those subsidies a little.
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<FONT SIZE="2"><FONT COLOR="#0000ff">As far as I am aware, peer reviewers are almost never paid under any model (I am aware of one publisher that used to reward rapid responses). I believe there were surveys (sorry, no reference to hand) which indicated that everyone involved felt that it would be inappropriate to pay peer reviewers.</FONT></FONT>
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<B><FONT SIZE="2">Sent:</FONT></B><FONT SIZE="2"> 09 August 2012 12:08</FONT><BR>
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Of course, to a greater or lesser extent all journals are supported by the 'fairy godmother' model. With peer reviewers playing the part of the fairy godmothers!
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<FONT SIZE="2"><FONT COLOR="#0000ff">These are all examples of the 'fairy godmother' payment model</FONT></FONT>
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a) E-conomics (institutional funding):
<FONT COLOR="#0000ff"><A HREF="http://www.economics-ejournal.org/">http://www.economics-ejournal.org/</A></FONT>
b) Theoretical Economics (society based funding): <FONT COLOR="#0000ff"><A HREF="http://econtheory.org/">http://econtheory.org/</A></FONT>
c) 5x IZA journals published with SpringerOpen (institutional funding by IZA):
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d) Journal of Economic Perspective (a former subscription journal but now society based funding):
<FONT COLOR="#0000ff"><A HREF="http://www.aeaweb.org/jep/index.php">http://www.aeaweb.org/jep/index.php</A></FONT>
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<B><FONT COLOR="#000000">Gesendet:</FONT></B><FONT COLOR="#000000"> Donnerstag, 09. August 2012 11:43</FONT><BR>
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<FONT COLOR="#000000">Here are four such journals, all of which have been there since the 1990s:</FONT><BR>
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<FONT COLOR="#000000">As an echo to the fourth option mentioned by Peter, I would like to gather references to journals and initiatives which are notoriously community based. Could members of the list point to what they would be aware of? </FONT>
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<FONT COLOR="#000000">There is a fourth option, which works: the scholarly community manage publication through contributed labour and resources and the net amount of cash is near-zero. This is described in</FONT><FONT COLOR="#0000ff"><A HREF="http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/pamphlet/2012/03/06/an-efficient-journal/">http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/pamphlet/2012/03/06/an-efficient-journal/</A></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000"> where the J. Machine Learning Research is among the highest regarded journals in the area (top 7%) and free-to-authors and free-to-readers. There is an enlightening debate (on this URL) between those who run the journal and Kent Anderson of the Scholarly Kitchen who cannot believe that people will run and work for journals for the good of the community.</FONT><BR>
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<FONT COLOR="#000000">There is no law of physics that says this doesn't scale. It is simply that most scholars would rather the taxpayer and students paid for the administration publishing (either as author-side or reader-side) so the scholars don't have to do the work. And they've managed ot get 10 B USD per year. If scholars regarded publishing as part of their role, of if they were prepared to involved the wider community (as Wikipedia has done) we could have a much more C21 type of activity - innovative and valuable to the whole world rather than just academia. It would cost zero, but it would be much cheaper than any current model.</FONT><BR>
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