<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">This issue is at least a decade old. It is one of the 38 symptoms of<div>"Zeno's Paralysis" and has had at least two entries<div>in the self-archiving FAQ since before the BOAI version:</div><div><a href="http://www.eprints.org/openaccess/self-faq/#2.Authentication">http://www.eprints.org/openaccess/self-faq/#2.Authentication</a></div><div><br></div></div><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><div><div>"<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; ">Any differences between the final, refereed, revised draft </span></div></div><div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; ">(postprint) and the copy-edited version of record will be minor. </span></div></div><div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; ">And the foremost thing to keep in mind is that both for the </span></div></div><div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; ">would-be user whose institution cannot afford subscription </span></div></div><div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; ">access, and for the author, as well as for research progress </span></div></div><div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; ">itself, access to the author's final, refereed, revised postprint </span></div></div><div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; ">is always infinitely preferable to no access at all. To deny </span></div></div><div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; ">(or foreswear) access altogether unless one can have access </span></div></div><div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; ">to the publisher's PDF is something that no serious researcher </span></div></div><div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; ">would ever knowingly do; it is only failure to connect the dots </span></div></div><div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; ">that keeps researchers from immediately doing the obvious </span></div></div><div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; ">-- and that is precisely what green open access mandates </span></div></div><div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; ">from their institutions and funders are needed for.'</span></div></div><div><a href="http://www.eprints.org/openaccess/self-faq/#23.Version">http://www..eprints.org/openaccess/self-faq/#23.Version</a></div></blockquote><div><div><br></div><div>Authors worry about this needlessly; and of course publishers keep</div><div>stoking author worries about this, self-servingly (FUD). But after all</div><div>these years I hope most people now know better.</div><div><br></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; "><span class="creators"><span class="person_name">Harnad, Stevan</span></span> <span class="date">(2006)</span> <span class="title"><a href="http://eprints.soton.ac.uk/262094/">Opening Access by Overcoming Zeno's Paralysis</a>.</span> </span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; ">In,</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; "> </span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; "><span class="editors"><span class="person_name">Jacobs, N</span> (ed.)</span></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; "> </span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; "><span class="book_title"><em>Open Access: Key Strategic, Technical and Economic</em></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; "><span class="book_title"><em> Aspects.</em></span> <span class="publisher">Chandos</span>.</span></div><div><br></div><div>But after more than a decade, I hope most people</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On 2012-08-10, at 6:46 AM, Garret McMahon wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">If the rationale behind this is to give cover to the publisher in the event of a discrepancy between the author's manuscript and the journal copy of record it also creates some doubt about the credibility of the former because of the implication that the peer-review recommendations may not have been incorporated into the copy. Sowing the seeds of doubt around the veracity of the open copy has an adverse effect not only on the reader but also Green OA advocacy in support of an institutional open access policy. <div>
<br></div><div>Regards,</div><div><br></div><div>Garret</div><div><div><br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 9 August 2012 17:29, Kornbrot, Diana <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:d.e.kornbrot@herts.ac.uk" target="_blank">d.e.kornbrot@herts.ac.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:12pt">Its 99.9% ok<br>
Sometimes the proof editors find minor problems missed byreferees<br>
Best<br>
Diana<div><div class="h5"><br>
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On 09/08/2012 17:22, "Bill Hubbard" <<a href="http://Bill.Hubbard@NOTTINGHAM.AC.UK/" target="_blank">Bill.Hubbard@NOTTINGHAM.AC.UK</a>> wrote:<br>
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</div></div></span></font><div><div class="h5"><blockquote><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:12pt">Dear Garret,<br>
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> The accepted manuscript is the only version of the in-press<br>
> copy that Elsevier will allow for repository deposit via<br>
> Green OA. I have always worked on the assumption that this<br>
> copy does in fact incorporate all of the changes that have<br>
> been recommended by the peer-review process. Am I mistaken?<br>
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It can and it should. I suspect that while such changes can be included in the version, since Elsevier - or any publisher - is not in control of the version, they insist on this caveat being included to absolve themselves if differences are found.<br>
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As the author's final version - and therefore, theoretically, the author's own approved choice of words with any later changes being unauthorised by them - some might take this version as authoratative. It is interesting that being stated in this way, the paragraph may end up seeming to put some distance between the version one can get for free and the publisher's version and introduce doubt as to the trustability of the free one: note the assumption of where "definitive" lies. But I am sure that is coincidental.<br>
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Regards,<br>
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Bill<br>
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> [<a href="mailto:JISC-REPOSITORIES@JISCMAIL.AC.UK" target="_blank">mailto:JISC-REPOSITORIES@JISCMAIL.AC.UK</a>] On Behalf Of Garret McMahon<br>
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> To: <a href="http://JISC-REPOSITORIES@JISCMAIL.AC.UK/" target="_blank">JISC-REPOSITORIES@JISCMAIL.AC.UK</a><br>
> Subject: Elsevier's systematic distribution notice<br>
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> I'm currently data cleansing prior to the launch of the QUB<br>
> research portal (repository) and I wanted to associate a<br>
> rights statement with a particular item record (beautifully<br>
> accommodated in PURE : Atira). Elsevier's systematic<br>
> distribution notice reads:<br>
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> _NOTICE: this is the author's version of a work that was<br>
> accepted for publication in <Journal title>. Changes<br>
> resulting from the publishing process, such as peer review,<br>
> editing, corrections, structural formatting, and other<br>
> quality control mechanisms may not be reflected in this<br>
> document. Changes may have been made to this work since it<br>
> was submitted for publication. A definitive version was<br>
> subsequently published in PUBLICATION, [VOL#, ISSUE#, (DATE)] DOI#_<br>
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> Here's the sentence I'm having trouble with:<br>
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> Changes resulting from the publishing process, such as peer<br>
> review, editing, corrections, structural formatting, and<br>
> other quality control mechanisms may not be reflected in this document<br>
><br>
> The accepted manuscript is the only version of the in-press<br>
> copy that Elsevier will allow for repository deposit via<br>
> Green OA. I have always worked on the assumption that this<br>
> copy does in fact incorporate all of the changes that have<br>
> been recommended by the peer-review process. Am I mistaken?<br>
><br>
> Regards,<br>
><br>
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> Garret McMahon<br>
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> Institutional Repository Officer<br>
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> The McClay Library<br>
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