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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=721534010-09082012><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial>These are all examples of the 'fairy godmother' payment
model</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2 face=Arial>Sally</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV align=left><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Sally Morris</FONT></DIV>
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<FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><B>From:</B> goal-bounces@eprints.org
[mailto:goal-bounces@eprints.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Reckling, Falk,
Dr.<BR><B>Sent:</B> 09 August 2012 10:53<BR><B>To:</B> Global Open Access List
(Successor of AmSci)<BR><B>Cc:</B> Laurent Romary<BR><B>Subject:</B> [GOAL] Re:
Publications managed byscholarly communities/institutions<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P><PRE>a) E-conomics (institutional funding):<o:p></o:p></PRE><PRE><A href="http://www.economics-ejournal.org/" target=_blank>http://www.economics-ejournal.org/</A><o:p></o:p></PRE><PRE><o:p> </o:p></PRE><PRE>b) Theoretical Economics (society based funding): <A href="http://econtheory.org/" target=_blank>http://econtheory.org/</A><o:p></o:p></PRE><PRE><o:p> </o:p></PRE><PRE>c) 5x IZA journals published with SpringerOpen (institutional funding by IZA):<o:p></o:p></PRE><PRE><A href="http://journals.iza.org/" target=_blank>http://journals.iza.org/</A><o:p></o:p></PRE><PRE><o:p> </o:p></PRE><PRE>d) Journal of Economic Perspective (a former subscription journal but now society based funding):<o:p></o:p></PRE><PRE><A href="http://www.aeaweb.org/jep/index.php" target=_blank>http://www.aeaweb.org/jep/index.php</A><o:p></o:p></PRE><PRE><o:p> </o:p></PRE>
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lang=DE> goal-bounces@eprints.org [mailto:goal-bounces@eprints.org] <B>Im
Auftrag von </B>Bo-Christer Björk<BR><B>Gesendet:</B> Donnerstag, 09. August
2012 11:43<BR><B>An:</B> Global Open Access List (Successor of
AmSci)<BR><B>Cc:</B> Laurent Romary<BR><B>Betreff:</B> [GOAL] Re: Publications
managed by scholarly communities/institutions<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Good idea,<BR><BR>Here are four such journals, all of which
have been there since the 1990s:<BR><BR>Information Research<BR><BR>Journal of
Information Technology in Construction<BR><BR>Journal of Electronic
Publishing<BR><BR>First Monday<BR><BR>best regards<BR><BR>Bo-Christer
Björk<BR><BR>Journal of On 8/9/12 11:35 AM, Laurent Romary
wrote:<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Dear all,<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>As an echo to the fourth option mentioned by Peter, I would
like to gather references to journals and initiatives which are notoriously
community based. Could members of the list point to what they would be aware
of? <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Thanks in advance,<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Laurent<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Le 7 août 2012 ā 16:11, Peter Murray-Rust a écrit
:<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 11:27 AM, Sally Morris <<A
href="mailto:sally@morris-assocs.demon.co.uk"
target=_blank>sally@morris-assocs.demon.co.uk</A>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal>We should not delude ourselves; journals can only be 'free'
if someone pays<BR>the costs.<BR><BR>All the work involved in creating and
running a journal has to be paid for<BR>somehow - they don't magically go away
if a journal is e-only (in fact,<BR>there are some new costs, even though some
of the old ones disappear).<BR><BR>I can only see three options for who pays:
reader-side (e.g. the library);<BR>author-side (e.g. publication fees);
or 'fairy godmother' (e.g. sponsor).<o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><BR>There is a fourth option, which works: the scholarly
community manage publication through contributed labour and resources and the
net amount of cash is near-zero. This is described in <A
href="http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/pamphlet/2012/03/06/an-efficient-journal/">http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/pamphlet/2012/03/06/an-efficient-journal/</A>
where the J. Machine Learning Research is among the highest regarded journals
in the area (top 7%) and free-to-authors and free-to-readers. There is an
enlightening debate (on this URL) between those who run the journal and Kent
Anderson of the Scholarly Kitchen who cannot believe that people will run and
work for journals for the good of the community.<BR><BR>There is no law of
physics that says this doesn't scale. It is simply that most scholars would
rather the taxpayer and students paid for the administration publishing
(either as author-side or reader-side) so the scholars don't have to do the
work. And they've managed ot get 10 B USD per year. If scholars regarded
publishing as part of their role, of if they were prepared to involved the
wider community (as Wikipedia has done) we could have a much more C21 type of
activity - innovative and valuable to the whole world rather than just
academia. It would cost zero, but it would be much cheaper than any current
model.<BR><BR>And of course we now have a complete free map of the whole world
(<A href="http://openstreetmap.org/">openstreetmap.org</A>) which is so much
better than other alternatives that many people and organizations are
switching to it. And, for many years, it didn't have a bank account and
existed on "marginal resources" from UCL (and probably still does).<BR><BR>But
most people will regard this as another fairy tale.<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><BR>-- <BR>Peter Murray-Rust<BR>Reader in Molecular
Informatics<BR>Unilever Centre, Dep. Of Chemistry<BR>University of
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<P class=MsoNormal>Laurent Romary<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>INRIA & HUB-IDSL<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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