<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>Thanks. Are these all managed on their own?</div>Laurent<div><br><div><div>Le 9 août 2012 à 11:42, Bo-Christer Björk a écrit :</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Good idea,<br>
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Here are four such journals, all of which have been there since
the 1990s:<br>
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Information Research<br>
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Journal of Information Technology in Construction<br>
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Journal of Electronic Publishing<br>
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First Monday<br>
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best regards<br>
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Bo-Christer Björk<br>
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Journal of On 8/9/12 11:35 AM, Laurent Romary wrote:<br>
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<div>Dear all,</div>
<div>As an echo to the fourth option mentioned by Peter, I would
like to gather references to journals and initiatives which are
notoriously community based. Could members of the list point to
what they would be aware of? </div>
<div>Thanks in advance,</div>
<div>Laurent</div>
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<div>Le 7 août 2012 à 16:11, Peter Murray-Rust a écrit :</div>
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Sally Morris <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:sally@morris-assocs.demon.co.uk" target="_blank">sally@morris-assocs.demon.co.uk</a>></span>
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We should not delude ourselves; journals can only be
'free' if someone pays<br>
the costs.<br>
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All the work involved in creating and running a journal
has to be paid for<br>
somehow - they don't magically go away if a journal is
e-only (in fact,<br>
there are some new costs, even though some of the old ones
disappear).<br>
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I can only see three options for who pays: reader-side
(e.g. the library);<br>
author-side (e.g. publication fees); or 'fairy godmother'
(e.g. sponsor).<br>
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There is a fourth option, which works: the scholarly
community manage publication through contributed labour
and resources and the net amount of cash is near-zero.
This is described in <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/pamphlet/2012/03/06/an-efficient-journal/">http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/pamphlet/2012/03/06/an-efficient-journal/</a>
where the J. Machine Learning Research is among the
highest regarded journals in the area (top 7%) and
free-to-authors and free-to-readers. There is an
enlightening debate (on this URL) between those who run
the journal and Kent Anderson of the Scholarly Kitchen who
cannot believe that people will run and work for journals
for the good of the community.<br>
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There is no law of physics that says this doesn't scale.
It is simply that most scholars would rather the taxpayer
and students paid for the administration publishing
(either as author-side or reader-side) so the scholars
don't have to do the work. And they've managed ot get 10 B
USD per year. If scholars regarded publishing as part of
their role, of if they were prepared to involved the wider
community (as Wikipedia has done) we could have a much
more C21 type of activity - innovative and valuable to the
whole world rather than just academia. It would cost zero,
but it would be much cheaper than any current model.<br>
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And of course we now have a complete free map of the whole
world (<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://openstreetmap.org/">openstreetmap.org</a>)
which is so much better than other alternatives that many
people and organizations are switching to it. And, for
many years, it didn't have a bank account and existed on
"marginal resources" from UCL (and probably still does).<br>
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But most people will regard this as another fairy tale.<br>
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Peter Murray-Rust<br>
Reader in Molecular Informatics<br>
Unilever Centre, Dep. Of Chemistry<br>
University of Cambridge<br>
CB2 1EW, UK<br>
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