<html><head><base href="x-msg://49/"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Of course, to a greater or lesser extent all journals are supported by the 'fairy godmother' model. With peer reviewers playing the part of the fairy godmothers!<div><br></div><div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">David Prosser<br><br></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></span></span>
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<br><div><div>On 9 Aug 2012, at 11:50, Sally Morris wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div lang="EN-US" bgcolor="white" vlink="purple" link="blue"><div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="721534010-09082012"><font color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial">These are all examples of the 'fairy godmother' payment model</font></span></div><div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="721534010-09082012"><font color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial"></font></span> </div><div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="721534010-09082012"><font color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial">Sally</font></span></div><div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="721534010-09082012"></span> </div><div> </div><div align="left"><font size="2" face="Arial">Sally Morris</font></div><div align="left"><font size="2" face="Arial">South House, The Street, Clapham, Worthing, West Sussex, UK BN13 3UU</font></div><div align="left"><font size="2" face="Arial">Tel: +44 (0)1903 871286</font></div><div align="left"><font size="2" face="Arial">Email: <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:sally@morris-assocs.demon.co.uk" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">sally@morris-assocs.demon.co.uk</a></font></div><div> </div><br><div dir="ltr" lang="en-us" class="OutlookMessageHeader" align="left"><hr tabindex="-1"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><b>From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:goal-bounces@eprints.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">goal-bounces@eprints.org</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[mailto:goal-bounces@eprints.org]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Reckling, Falk, Dr.<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>09 August 2012 10:53<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)<br><b>Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Laurent Romary<br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[GOAL] Re: Publications managed byscholarly communities/institutions<br></font><br></div><div></div><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; "><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; font-size: 12pt; "><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt; ">I would add some journal form economics:<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; font-size: 12pt; "><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><pre style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: black; font-size: 10pt; ">a) E-conomics (institutional funding):<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: black; font-size: 10pt; "><a href="http://www.economics-ejournal.org/" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.economics-ejournal.org/</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: black; font-size: 10pt; "><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: black; font-size: 10pt; ">b) Theoretical Economics (society based funding): <a href="http://econtheory.org/" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://econtheory.org/</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: black; font-size: 10pt; "><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: black; font-size: 10pt; ">c) 5x IZA journals published with SpringerOpen (institutional funding by IZA):<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: black; font-size: 10pt; "><a href="http://journals.iza.org/" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://journals.iza.org/</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: black; font-size: 10pt; "><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: black; font-size: 10pt; ">d) Journal of Economic Perspective (a former subscription journal but now society based funding):<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: black; font-size: 10pt; "><a href="http://www.aeaweb.org/jep/index.php" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.aeaweb.org/jep/index.php</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style="margin-top: 0cm; 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"></span><span lang="DE" style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p></o:p></span></div><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" style="border-collapse: collapse; "><tbody><tr><td valign="top" width="225" style="padding-bottom: 0cm; padding-left: 5.4pt; width: 168.45pt; padding-right: 5.4pt; padding-top: 0cm; "><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; font-size: 12pt; "><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 9pt; ">Falk Reckling, PhD</span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 9pt; "><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; font-size: 12pt; "><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 8pt; 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"><span lang="DE" style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; font-size: 12pt; "><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div><div style="border-bottom-width: medium; border-bottom-style: none; border-bottom-color: initial; border-left-width: medium; border-left-style: none; border-left-color: initial; padding-bottom: 0cm; padding-left: 0cm; padding-right: 0cm; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-style: solid; border-right-width: medium; border-right-style: none; border-right-color: initial; padding-top: 3pt; "><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; font-size: 12pt; "><b><span lang="DE" style="font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; color: windowtext; font-size: 10pt; ">Von:</span></b><span lang="DE" style="font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; color: windowtext; font-size: 10pt; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:goal-bounces@eprints.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">goal-bounces@eprints.org</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[mailto:goal-bounces@eprints.org]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>Im Auftrag von<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Bo-Christer Björk<br><b>Gesendet:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Donnerstag, 09. August 2012 11:43<br><b>An:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)<br><b>Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Laurent Romary<br><b>Betreff:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[GOAL] Re: Publications managed by scholarly communities/institutions<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; font-size: 12pt; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; font-size: 12pt; ">Good idea,<br><br>Here are four such journals, all of which have been there since the 1990s:<br><br>Information Research<br><br>Journal of Information Technology in Construction<br><br>Journal of Electronic Publishing<br><br>First Monday<br><br>best regards<br><br>Bo-Christer Björk<br><br>Journal of On 8/9/12 11:35 AM, Laurent Romary wrote:<o:p></o:p></div></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt; "><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; font-size: 12pt; ">Dear all,<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; font-size: 12pt; ">As an echo to the fourth option mentioned by Peter, I would like to gather references to journals and initiatives which are notoriously community based. Could members of the list point to what they would be aware of? <o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; font-size: 12pt; ">Thanks in advance,<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; font-size: 12pt; ">Laurent<o:p></o:p></div></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; font-size: 12pt; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; font-size: 12pt; ">Le 7 août 2012 ā 16:11, Peter Murray-Rust a écrit :<o:p></o:p></div></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; font-size: 12pt; "><br><br><o:p></o:p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; font-size: 12pt; "><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; font-size: 12pt; ">On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 11:27 AM, Sally Morris <<a href="mailto:sally@morris-assocs.demon.co.uk" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">sally@morris-assocs.demon.co.uk</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; font-size: 12pt; ">We should not delude ourselves; journals can only be 'free' if someone pays<br>the costs.<br><br>All the work involved in creating and running a journal has to be paid for<br>somehow - they don't magically go away if a journal is e-only (in fact,<br>there are some new costs, even though some of the old ones disappear).<br><br>I can only see three options for who pays: reader-side (e.g. the library);<br>author-side (e.g. publication fees); or 'fairy godmother' (e.g. sponsor).<o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; font-size: 12pt; "><br>There is a fourth option, which works: the scholarly community manage publication through contributed labour and resources and the net amount of cash is near-zero. This is described in<a href="http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/pamphlet/2012/03/06/an-efficient-journal/" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/pamphlet/2012/03/06/an-efficient-journal/</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>where the J. Machine Learning Research is among the highest regarded journals in the area (top 7%) and free-to-authors and free-to-readers. There is an enlightening debate (on this URL) between those who run the journal and Kent Anderson of the Scholarly Kitchen who cannot believe that people will run and work for journals for the good of the community.<br><br>There is no law of physics that says this doesn't scale. It is simply that most scholars would rather the taxpayer and students paid for the administration publishing (either as author-side or reader-side) so the scholars don't have to do the work. And they've managed ot get 10 B USD per year. If scholars regarded publishing as part of their role, of if they were prepared to involved the wider community (as Wikipedia has done) we could have a much more C21 type of activity - innovative and valuable to the whole world rather than just academia. It would cost zero, but it would be much cheaper than any current model.<br><br>And of course we now have a complete free map of the whole world (<a href="http://openstreetmap.org/" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">openstreetmap.org</a>) which is so much better than other alternatives that many people and organizations are switching to it. And, for many years, it didn't have a bank account and existed on "marginal resources" from UCL (and probably still does).<br><br>But most people will regard this as another fairy tale.<o:p></o:p></div></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt; "><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; font-size: 12pt; "><o:p> </o:p></div></blockquote></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; font-size: 12pt; "><br>--<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>Peter Murray-Rust<br>Reader in Molecular Informatics<br>Unilever Centre, Dep. 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