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size=2 face=Arial>Do you think that doesn't entail cost?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=884145814-07082012><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial>The people who are doing this work 'free' (and the computer
services provided 'free', etc) are all in reality being paid by someone to do
their 'real' jobs. And, presumably, the amount of time devoted to those
'real' jobs is accordingly reduced.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=884145814-07082012><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial>Sally</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV align=left><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Sally Morris</FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=left><FONT size=2 face=Arial>South House, The Street, Clapham,
Worthing, West Sussex, UK BN13 3UU</FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=left><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Tel: +44 (0)1903
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<DIV align=left><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Email:
sally@morris-assocs.demon.co.uk</FONT></DIV>
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<FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><B>From:</B> goal-bounces@eprints.org
[mailto:goal-bounces@eprints.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Peter
Murray-Rust<BR><B>Sent:</B> 07 August 2012 15:12<BR><B>To:</B> Global Open
Access List (Successor of AmSci)<BR><B>Subject:</B> [GOAL] Re: Planning for the
Open Access Era<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 11:27 AM, Sally Morris <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:sally@morris-assocs.demon.co.uk"
target=_blank>sally@morris-assocs.demon.co.uk</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE
style="BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex"
class=gmail_quote>We should not delude ourselves; journals can only be 'free'
if someone pays<BR>the costs.<BR><BR>All the work involved in creating and
running a journal has to be paid for<BR>somehow - they don't magically go away
if a journal is e-only (in fact,<BR>there are some new costs, even though some
of the old ones disappear).<BR><BR>I can only see three options for who pays:
reader-side (e.g. the library);<BR>author-side (e.g. publication fees);
or 'fairy godmother' (e.g. sponsor).<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV><BR>There is a fourth option, which works: the scholarly community manage
publication through contributed labour and resources and the net amount of cash
is near-zero. This is described in <A
href="http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/pamphlet/2012/03/06/an-efficient-journal/">http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/pamphlet/2012/03/06/an-efficient-journal/</A>
where the J. Machine Learning Research is among the highest regarded journals in
the area (top 7%) and free-to-authors and free-to-readers. There is an
enlightening debate (on this URL) between those who run the journal and Kent
Anderson of the Scholarly Kitchen who cannot believe that people will run and
work for journals for the good of the community.<BR><BR>There is no law of
physics that says this doesn't scale. It is simply that most scholars would
rather the taxpayer and students paid for the administration publishing (either
as author-side or reader-side) so the scholars don't have to do the work. And
they've managed ot get 10 B USD per year. If scholars regarded publishing as
part of their role, of if they were prepared to involved the wider community (as
Wikipedia has done) we could have a much more C21 type of activity - innovative
and valuable to the whole world rather than just academia. It would cost zero,
but it would be much cheaper than any current model.<BR><BR>And of course we now
have a complete free map of the whole world (<A
href="http://openstreetmap.org">openstreetmap.org</A>) which is so much better
than other alternatives that many people and organizations are switching to it.
And, for many years, it didn't have a bank account and existed on "marginal
resources" from UCL (and probably still does).<BR><BR>But most people will
regard this as another fairy tale.<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE
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class=gmail_quote><BR clear=all></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>-- <BR>Peter
Murray-Rust<BR>Reader in Molecular Informatics<BR>Unilever Centre, Dep. Of
Chemistry<BR>University of Cambridge<BR>CB2 1EW,
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