<div><div style="font-family:Helvetica">On 2012-08-04, at 8:37 AM, [identity deleted] wrote on <i>cphc-members</i>:</div><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote">
I really don't see how "t<span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse:collapse;color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif">he ACM and IEEE journals are on the "side of the angels."</span></blockquote>
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</span></font><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#222222" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse:collapse"> While this is not the ACM journals per se, the ACM DL publishing agreement always shocks me at its draconian conditions - not least the fact that they incur none of the upfront costs for DL publications (unlike sponsored conferences), and yet demand you not only give full copyright to them for nothing, but in addition expect you to indemnify them completely. Maybe they are just protecting themselves, but in principle, if anyone made any sort of claim (e.g. like the recent </span></font><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse:collapse;color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif">chiropractic</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse:collapse;color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif"> libel case in the UK), the ACM could lay over like lamb, pay through their nose, and then pass the bill to you.</span></blockquote>
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<font class="Apple-style-span" color="#222222" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse:collapse"> Not sure about the IEEE publishing agreements as I don't tend to publish much in their venues, but for many years the many IEEE badged vanity conferences have been a disgrace (and devalued the many IEEE old and new conferences that maintain high standards). I know they have recently attempted to clean up their act, but this does underline the pressures that can only grow if an author-pays policy becomes the norm.</span></font></blockquote>
</blockquote><div style="font-family:Helvetica">1. The "side of the angels" is the journals (60%) that endorse immediate Green OA self-archiving; the other side is the journals (40%) that embargo Green OA (some indefinitely).</div>
<div style="font-family:Helvetica"><br></div><div style="font-family:Helvetica">2. Publisher embargos are the principal obstacle to getting OA mandates adopted and complied with (although there is a work-around: See Sale et al 2012).</div>
<div style="font-family:Helvetica"><br></div><div style="font-family:Helvetica">3. The immediate, primary objective of OA is to make refereed research accessible to all of its intended users, not just to those whose institutions can afford to subscribe to the journal it which in happened to be published. (Same for conference proceedings, if toll-access.) The purpose is to maximize research uptake, usage, progress and impact.</div>
<div style="font-family:Helvetica"><br></div><div style="font-family:Helvetica">4. Yes, there are glaring iniquities and anomalies (needless overpricing, etc.) in refereed research journal publication today, but the first and foremost goal of OA is to remedy by far the most important of them (and the one that, once remedied, will lead to the eventual remedying of the rest too), namely, research access-denial.</div>
<div style="font-family:Helvetica"><br></div><div style="font-family:Helvetica">5. To repeat, the primary goal of OA, and of mandating OA, is not to reform publishing but to remedy research access denial.</div><div style="font-family:Helvetica">
<br></div><div style="font-family:Helvetica">6. There are also glaring iniquities and anomalies in rights agreements, but, again, by far the most important of them (and the one that, once remedied, will lead to the eventual remedying of the rest too), is again research access-denial to all but subscribers.</div>
<div style="font-family:Helvetica"><br></div><div style="font-family:Helvetica">7. What has led to the Finch/Willets/RCUK fiasco in the UK is a radical (and reckless) reversal of priorities, placing publication reform and rights reform ahead of OA itself -- at the considerable expense of both access itself and scarce research funds: mandating the payment of even more to publishers, out of scarce research funds, and over and above what's already being spent on subscription all in exchange for costly Gold OA, instead of mandating cost-free Green OA, which just amounts to a few extra key-strokes.</div>
<div style="font-family:Helvetica"><br></div><div style="font-family:Helvetica">(I have dubbed this short-sighted tendency -- to keep letting the "best" get in the way of the better -- "gold fever" and "rights rapture."</div>
<div style="font-family:Helvetica"><br></div><div style="font-family:Helvetica">8. We all need to set aside all animus we may feel toward publishers for now, and just focus on mandating the Green keystrokes worldwide, starting (or rather continuing) in the UK: All the other good things we desire will follow as a natural of course thereafter (including the adaptation of the research publishing industry to the OA era).</div>
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<div style="font-family:Helvetica"><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><span style="font-family:'Times New Roman'">Gargouri, Y., Hajjem, C., Lariviere, V., Gingras, Y., Brody, T., Carr, L. and Harnad, S. (2010) <a href="http://dx.plos.org/10.1371/journal.pone.0013636"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,246);text-decoration:none">Self-Selected or Mandated, Open Access Increases Citation Impact for Higher Quality Research</span></a>. <a href="http://dx.plos.org/10.1371/journal.pone.0013636"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,246);text-decoration:none">PLOS ONE 5 (10) </span></a>e13636 </span></p>
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<span style="font-family:'Times New Roman'">Harnad, S. (2010) <a href="http://eprints.ecs.soton.ac.uk/21348/"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,246);text-decoration:none">No-Fault Peer Review Charges: The Price of Selectivity Need Not Be Access Denied or Delayed</span></a>. D-Lib Magazine <a href="http://www.dlib.org/dlib/july10/harnad/07harnad.html"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,246);text-decoration:none">16 (7/8)</span></a>. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><span style="font-family:'Times New Roman'"><br></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'Times New Roman'">Harnad, S. (2010) <a href="http://eprints.ecs.soton.ac.uk/18514/"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,246);text-decoration:none">The Immediate Practical Implication of the Houghton Report: Provide Green Open Access Now</span></a>. Prometheus, 28 (1). pp. 55-59.<span style="color:rgb(0,0,246);text-decoration:none"><a href="http://eprints.ecs.soton.ac.uk/18514/"> </a></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'Times New Roman'"><br></span></p></div></div><div style="font-family:Helvetica"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'Times New Roman'">Harnad, S. (2011) <a href="http://eprints.ecs.soton.ac.uk/21818/">Gold Open Access Publishing Must Not Be Allowed to Retard the Progress of Green Open Access Self-Archiving</a>. <i>Logos: The Journal of the World Book Community. </i> 21(3-4): 86-93 </span></div>
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<span style="font-family:'Times New Roman'">Sale, A., Couture, M., Rodrigues, E., Carr, L. and Harnad, S. (2012) <a href="http://eprints.ecs.soton.ac.uk/18511/"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,246);text-decoration:none">Open Access Mandates and the "Fair Dealing" Button</span></a>. In: <i>Dynamic Fair Dealing: Creating Canadian Culture Online</i> (Rosemary J. Coombe & Darren Wershler, Eds.)</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:'Times New Roman'"><br></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:'Times New Roman'">Swan, A & Houghton, J. (2012) <i><a href="http://ie-repository.jisc.ac.uk/610/2/Modelling_Gold_Open_Access_for_institutions_-_final_draft3.pdf">Going for Gold? The costs and benefits of Gold Open Access for UK research institutions: further economic modelling</a>. Report to the UK Open Access Implementation Group</i>, June 2012</span><span style="font-family:'Times New Roman'"></span></p>
</div></span></div><div style="font-family:Helvetica"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'Times New Roman'"><br></span></div></blockquote><div style="font-family:Helvetica"><div>Stevan Harnad</div><div>
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