<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 10:25 AM, Kiley, Robert <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:r.kiley@wellcome.ac.uk" target="_blank">r.kiley@wellcome.ac.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div link="blue" vlink="purple" lang="EN-GB"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#3333ff">Peter<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#3333ff"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#3333ff">I’m not sure I fully understand your question: “Can you confirm that there are no green full text manuscripts in PMC?”.</span></p>
</div></div></blockquote><div><br>This is difficult to answer as "Green" is poorly defined (as is almost everything in "Open Access"). It means "self-archived"<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div link="blue" vlink="purple" lang="EN-GB"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:rgb(51,51,255)"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#3333ff"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#3333ff">In my understanding the example </span><a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3253247" target="_blank">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3253247</a> is a green, full-text manuscript.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> </p></div></div></blockquote><div> </div><div> I think you are correct and I am probably wrong. But my understanding is that this was archived in PMC as part of the NIH funding process and not "self-archived" as part of the mandate. Indeed I believe that Elsevier may even prepare manuscripts for "author-side" deposition in PMC. But I am unclear of the details. <br>
<br>This type of archiving is probably limited to NIH, maybe Wellcome and and few other funders. It's not suported AFAIK by universities.<br><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div link="blue" vlink="purple" lang="EN-GB"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">However, if green in your definition means that it must have zero month embargo, then I suspect there won’t be any ACS-published, author manuscripts in PMC that meet this criteria.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">I thought “green” was used to simply indicate that the version you are looking at was the author’s version of the manuscript (after peer review). In contrast “gold” means (in my mind) the final published version (the version of record). Obviously, if we pay a fee for a gold article then we can demand (and we do) certain things, such as it must be available at the time of publication and it must be licenced using CC-BY.</p>
</div></div></blockquote><div><br>I think your definition is probably correct. In which case I suspect that there are number in PMC.<br><br>I, for one, would find it useful to have clear definitions. There is clearly a world of difference between NIH-funded manuscripts and hidden manuscripts in University repos. Calling them both "Green" doesn't help.<br>
</div><div> <br>And the fact that I find this difficult should be taken as an indication of the obscurity of the process, not my stupidity.<br><br></div>=====================<br><br>My original fairytale post was intended to suggest that we challeng the system. You in Wellcome are doing that as far as you can. Universities are not - they give in to publishers.<br>
<br>But I have created enough confusion. <br><br><br clear="all"></div><br>-- <br>Peter Murray-Rust<br>Reader in Molecular Informatics<br>Unilever Centre, Dep. Of Chemistry<br>University of Cambridge<br>CB2 1EW, UK<br>+44-1223-763069<br>