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Thank you, bernard, for such a good, strong, response.<BR>
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May I suggest you convene some top administrators of important emergent countries administrators, e.e. Sao Pauo and UNAM in Mexico. Chile and Argentina might well be two other interesting targets. People from Clacso, SciELO and RedALyC might also be good targets.<BR>
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Similar people from Africa and Asia would also be very useful. Eve Gray coul help for South Africa, and Leslie Chan, through Bioline, for Africa.<BR>
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Le vendredi 13 juillet 2012 à 23:23 +0200, brentier@ulg.ac.be a écrit :
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It is amazing nowadays how, if you don't manage to have sufficient time to,respond within an hour, you are considered not on board !!
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Yes, we are on board and EOS is.
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EOS was created precisely to generate awareness concerning OA and particularly Green OA with university leaders, those who have the decision power. In most universities worldwide, librarians are fully aware of the problems their libraries are facing, while decision makers are not, or not clearly enough. We believe we must be heard but top executives and we know that the only institutions that are enforcing IR mandates are those where the top management is fully convinced it is the way to go.
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I am ready to convene a panel top universities top managers (rectors, presidents, VCs) wherever (Europe or USA) and whenever we together see fit, along with EOS members, as long as I can squeeze it in my own schedule (By the way, I shall be visiting Australia and New Zealand in November).
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Alma and I could organise this but, of course, we will need subscriptions (even though I can cover my own expenses).
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I believe this will be straight in line with EOS' core business.
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I am ready for suggestions.
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Le 13 juil. 2012 à 16:54, Alma Swan <<A HREF="mailto:a.swan@talk21.com">a.swan@talk21.com</A>> a écrit :<BR>
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<B><FONT SIZE="2">From:</FONT></B><FONT SIZE="2"> Jean-Claude Guédon <<A HREF="mailto:jean.claude.guedon@umontreal.ca">jean.claude.guedon@umontreal.ca</A>></FONT><BR>
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<B><FONT SIZE="2">Subject:</FONT></B><FONT SIZE="2"> [GOAL] Re: Reaching for the Reachable</FONT><BR>
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Thank you, Stevan, for this useful summary.<BR>
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Now remains the question: how do we multiply mandates and how do we implement them?<BR>
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Peter has suggested a high-level meeting to create momentum. I support the high-level meeting idea and provided some hypotheses about it that are aimed at boosting the green road. Keith, a member of the board on EOS, is on board.<BR>
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Who else is on board?<BR>
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Action, please!<BR>
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Le vendredi 13 juillet 2012 à 09:21 -0400, Stevan Harnad a écrit : <BR>
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For the perplexed reader who is wondering what on earth all this to and fro on GOAL is about:<BR>
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1. Gratis Open Access (OA) means free online access to peer-reviewed journal articles.<BR>
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2. Libre OA means free online access to peer-reviewed journal articles + certain re-use rights (often CC-BY).<BR>
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3. Green OA means OA provided by authors self-archiving their peer-reviewed final drafts free for all online (either in the author's institutional repository or website or in an institution-external central repository)<BR>
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4. Gold OA means OA provided by authors publishing in OA journals that provide free online access to their articles (Gratis or Libre), often at the cost of an author publication fee.<BR>
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5. Global OA today stands at about 20% of yearly journal article output, though this varies by discipline, with some higher (particle physics near 100%) and some lower (chemistry among the lowest).<BR>
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6. About two thirds of the global 20% OA is Green and one third is Gold. Almost all of it is Gratis rather than Libre.<BR>
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7. Institutions and funders that mandate Green OA have much higher Green OA rates (70%+), but only if they have effective Green OA mandates -- and only a tiny proportion of the world's institutions and funders mandate OA as yet have Green OA mandates at all.<BR>
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8. Ineffective Green OA mandates are the ones that require self-archiving only if and when the publisher endorses self-archiving: 60% of journals endorse immediate Green OA self-archiving; 40% ask for embargoes of varying in length from 6-12 months to 5 years or indefinitely.<BR>
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9. Effective Green OA mandates (ID/OA: Immediate-Deposit/Optional-Access) are the ones that require immediate deposit of all articles, but if the publisher has an OA embargo, access to the deposit can be set as "Closed Access" during the allowable embargo period (preferably no more than 6 months).<BR>
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10. During any embargo, the institutional repository has an automated email-eprint-request button that allows users to request a copy for research purposes with one click, and allows the author to comply with one click. (This is not OA but "Almost-OA".)<BR>
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11. The rationale for ID/OA + the Almost-OA button is to ensure that 100% of papers are immediately deposited and accessible for research purposes, not just the 60% that have publisher endorsement.<BR>
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12. The expectation is that once ID/OA is mandated globally by 100% of institutions and funders, not only will it provide 60% immediate-OA plus 40% Almost-OA, but it will hasten the end of OA embargoes, as the power and utility of OA become evident, familiar and indispensable to all researchers, as authors and users. <BR>
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There are additional details about optimal mandates. (Deposit should be designated the sole procedure for submitting publications for institutional performance review, and funders should mandate convergent institutional deposit rather than divergent institution-external deposit.) <BR>
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And the further expectation is that once Gratis Green OA is mandated by institutions and funders globally, it will hasten the advent of Libre OA (CC-BY) and Gold OA.<BR>
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All the frustration and complaints being vented in the recent GOAL postings are with the lack of OA. But frustration will not bring OA. Only mandates will. And the optimal mandate is ID/OA, even if it does not confer instant global OA. <BR>
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First things first. Don't let the unreachable best get in the way of the reachable better. Grasp what is already within reach.<BR>
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On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 3:48 AM, Peter Murray-Rust <<A HREF="mailto:pm286@cam.ac.uk">pm286@cam.ac.uk</A>> wrote:<BR>
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On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 7:48 AM, Jan Velterop <<A HREF="mailto:velterop@gmail.com">velterop@gmail.com</A>> wrote: <BR>
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Stevan may well be right that the repository of the U of Liege (ORBi) contains 3,620 chemistry papers. But apart from posters, most deposits of articles published in peer-reviewed journals, and even theses, are marked "restricted access" and not accessible to me, and 'libre' access seems completely out of scope. So if this is the best example of a successful OA repository, Peter Murray-Rust can be forgiven for getting the impression that compliance is essentially zero, in terms of Open Access. <BR>
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<I>Reference: Ivanova, T. et al - (2012) - Preparation and characterisation of Ag incorporated Al2O3 nanocomposite films obtained by sol-gel method [ <A HREF="http://orbi.ulg.ac.be/handle/2268/127219">handle:2268/127219</A> ]</I> <BR>
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<I>The desired document is not currently available on open access. Nevertheless you can request an offprint from the author(s) through the form below. If your request is accepted you will receive by email a link allowing you access to the document </I><I><B>for 5 days, 5 download attempts maximum</B></I><I>.</I><BR>
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So If I am a small business creating science-based work I am not allowed the "Open Access" from Liege. If I represent a patient group I am not allowed this material. If I am in government making eveidence-based policy I am not allowed it. It is the pernicious model that only academics need and can have access to the results of scholarship.<BR>
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As I have said before University repositories seem to delight in the process of restricting access.<BR>
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No wonder that no-one will use this repo. All it seems to do is mail the author and I can do that anyway (presumably if the author leaves the uni then the email goes nowhere). <BR>
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In today's market any young reseacher will use #icanhazpdf instead. I am not condoning #icanhazpdf but I am far more sympathetic to it than repos.<BR>
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