<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 3:15 PM, Stevan Harnad <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:amsciforum@gmail.com" target="_blank">amsciforum@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div>On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 3:36 AM, Peter Murray-Rust <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pm286@cam.ac.uk" target="_blank">pm286@cam.ac.uk</a>></span> wrote: </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
Fairy Tale:</blockquote><div><font face="Helvetica" size="3"><span style="font-family:arial;font-size:small"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
<ul><li>The top 20 vice-chancellors (provosts, heads of institutions) in the world meet for 2 days </li></ul><ul><li>They agree that they will mandate that copies of all the papers their faculty are deposited in their institutional repositories immediately upon acceptance for publication</li>
</ul></blockquote></span></font></div></blockquote><div><br>*** The faculty ignore the mandates.<br><br>This is the reality - Wellcome, who have the sanction of withholding grants and put huge efforts into promoting, still only get 55% compliance. <br>
<br>You have spent > 10 years trying to get effective mandates and they are hardly working. The compliance in chemistry is 0%.<br><br>ZERO.<br><br>There is no way in my or your liftetime that senior chemists will self-archive. And that goes for many other disciplines. What are the VCs going to do? Sack them ? they bring in grant money?<br>
<br><div><font face="Helvetica" size="3"><span style="font-family:arial;font-size:small"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><ul><li>They adopt the optimal mandate: ID/OA, together with the email-eprint-request "Almost-OA" Button for embargoed deposits.</li>
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<ul><li>Other universities will take the model and do it.</li></ul></blockquote>
<span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:medium"></span></span></font>This is called Green Gratis OA self-archiving. </div></blockquote><div><br>Yes - and probably << 5% of VCs care about it. <br><br></div>My argument - or fairy story - is that nothing will happen if we continue as we are. We have to get much tougher. And university mandates are seen as next to useless - universities can't police them and it alienates the faculty.<br>
<br>The attraction of the fairy story is that it's vastly simpler and quicker to carry out. It even builds on the apathy of the faculty - the less they care, the easier it is.<br><br>I am not against green OA - I am arguing that the OA community should unite and take decisive action.<br>
<br>P.<br><br clear="all"></div><br>-- <br>Peter Murray-Rust<br>Reader in Molecular Informatics<br>Unilever Centre, Dep. Of Chemistry<br>University of Cambridge<br>CB2 1EW, UK<br>+44-1223-763069<br>