<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Sorry, part of my reply was about VCs below, not chemists! My reply about chemists should have been this:<div><br></div><div>It is not chemists that oppose self-archiving, it's their publishers! (I've long predicted that as publishers go green, the last one out and shutting the door behind them will be the American Chemical Society!) </div><div><br></div><div>But don't despair, Peter, the other disciplines are leading the way, and, as you will see if you look and count, chemists (even senior ones!) are already self-archiving, especially when their institutions or funders have effective Green OA mandates, like U. Liege's and FNRS's, with ID/OA and the Button to moot any say that their publishers have in the matter...</div><div><br></div><div>See:</div><div><a href="http://blogs.nature.com/news/files/openaccessplos.jpg">http://blogs.nature.com/news/files/openaccessplos.jpg</a></div><div>and </div><div><a href="http://openaccess.eprints.org/uploads/GreenGold11.png">http://openaccess.eprints.org/uploads/GreenGold11.png</a></div><div><br></div><div>Stevan Harnad</div><div><br><div><div>On 2012-07-12, at 6:11 PM, Stevan Harnad wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Peter Murray-Rust <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pm286@cam.ac.uk" target="_blank">pm286@cam.ac.uk</a>></span> wrote:</blockquote><br><blockquote type="cite"><div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div class="gmail_quote"><div>There is no way in my or your liftetime that senior chemists will self-archive. And that goes for many other disciplines. What are the VCs going to do? Sack them ? they bring in grant money?<br>
</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>No: draw their attention to the financial benefits, as Alma Swan & John Houghton have been doing, for Green and Gold OA:</div><div><a href="http://ie-repository.jisc.ac.uk/610/2/Modelling_Gold_Open_Access_for_institutions_-_final_draft3.pdf">http://ie-repository.jisc.ac.uk/610/2/Modelling_Gold_Open_Access_for_institutions_-_final_draft3.pdf</a></div>
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