<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 8:53 AM, The Director Of Universal Access - (Wise, Alicia (ELS-OXF) <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:A.Wise@elsevier.com" target="_blank">A.Wise@elsevier.com</a>></span>) wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Hi all,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Just a quick point of clarification…. Elsevier doesn’t forbid posting if there is a mandate. We ask for an agreement with the institution that has the mandate,
and there is no cost for these agreements. The purpose of these agreements is to work out a win-win solution to find a way for the underlying journals in which academics choose to publish to be sustainable even if there are high posting rates.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u></span></p></div></div></blockquote><div><br>The last sentence is meaningless. It's publisher-mumble. It looks helpful and contains no useful substance.<br>
<br>If I try to interpret it means that a university has to "negotiate" with Elsevier as to how to keep a journal sustainable. That's not the universities job.<br><br>There are 2000 universities with repositories and many more that subscribe to Elsevier journals. So that is perhaps 10,000 agreements that have ot be signed. What a waste of everyone's time. <br>
<br>So The Director Of Universal Access will have to sign 10,000 agreemnts.<br><br>Given that the DoUA has by their own figures signed 20 agreemnts on content-mining in five years (that's 4 per year), it's clear that DoUA does not actually expect to process 10,000 agreements - relying on FUD to inactivate libraries.<br>
<br>And yes, there's a huge cost for the libraries<br><br>Multiply by (say) 100 publishers (yes, Ross Mounce has a list of 100 with "agreements" on how to restrict content mining). That's 1,000,000(1 million) agreements that have to be signed. A massive expense for academia.<br>
<br>The only efficient way to do things in the current world is to say YES or NO and apply it to everyone. At least the ACS is honest. It forbids anything.<br><br><br></div><br></div><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Peter Murray-Rust<br>
Reader in Molecular Informatics<br>Unilever Centre, Dep. Of Chemistry<br>University of Cambridge<br>CB2 1EW, UK<br>+44-1223-763069<br>