<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 11:08 AM, Stevan Harnad <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:harnad@ecs.soton.ac.uk" target="_blank">harnad@ecs.soton.ac.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid" class="gmail_quote">
<div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><div>On 2012-06-20, at 5:45 AM, Wise, Alicia (ELS-OXF) wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><span style="text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal;border-collapse:separate"><div vlink="purple" link="blue" lang="EN-US">
<div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;font-size:12pt"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">Hi Laurent,<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;font-size:12pt">
<span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;font-size:12pt"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">Institutions already do have agreements with publishers via their libraries and/or library consortia. This is certainly the case for INRIA. </span></div>
</div></div></span></blockquote><div><br></div>Some humble advice for institutions and libraries:</div><div><br></div></div></blockquote><div> </div><div>I absolutely agree with Stevan. ANY negotiation with a publisher is a business contract. It should never be left to individuals. </div>
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Negotiate with publishers about subscription price.</div><div><br></div></div></blockquote><div> </div><div>Only if you are an institutional officer. Ideally do it as a country such as Brazil rather than wasting your time and our money on secret one-on-one contracts.</div>
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Decline to negotiate with publishers about institutional OA policy.</div><div><br></div></div></blockquote><div>Absolutely. </div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid" class="gmail_quote">
<div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div></div><div>On no account allow anyone to lure you into discussing any contingency </div><div>between institutional OA policy and subscription price.</div><div><br></div></div></blockquote>
<div>Absolutely. Absolutely. The idea that Elsevier wishes to discuss a "win-win" strategy for their sustainability must be resisted at all costs.</div><div> </div><div>Never never never negotiate on content-mining. You will concede fundamental rights.</div>
<div> </div><div> </div><div>I was intending to blog this anyway. </div><div> </div><div> </div><div> <span style="text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal;border-collapse:separate"></span></div>
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<span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">Hi all,</span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;font-size:12pt"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"></span> </div>
<div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;font-size:12pt"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">PMR: as a start remember that this "greeting" is a formal communication from a corporate.</span></div>
</div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Peter Murray-Rust<br>Reader in Molecular Informatics<br>Unilever Centre, Dep. Of Chemistry<br>University of Cambridge<br>
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