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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Hi Garrett,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">It depends on the funding body – I’m not clear which specific funding council you have in mind. Those we already have agreements with are described here:
<a href="http://www.elsevier.com/wps/find/authorsview.authors/fundingbodyagreements">
http://www.elsevier.com/wps/find/authorsview.authors/fundingbodyagreements</a> <o:p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">With kind wishes,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Alicia<i><o:p></o:p></i></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> goal-bounces@eprints.org [mailto:goal-bounces@eprints.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Garret McMahon<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 20, 2012 9:27 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [GOAL] Re: Why should publishers agree to Green OA?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Alicia,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">This is the first time I've heard mention of Elsevier's Green OA policy predicated on an institutional mandate. Up to now, IR deposit of the author's peer-reviewed accepted draft on acceptance for publication has been central to funding
council policies on OA. Are you saying that deposit on that basis alone contravenes Elsevier's position in the absence of an institutional OA policy?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Garret McMahon<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 20 June 2012 08:53, Wise, Alicia (ELS-OXF) <<a href="mailto:A.Wise@elsevier.com" target="_blank">A.Wise@elsevier.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Hi all,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Just a quick point of clarification…. Elsevier doesn’t forbid posting if there is a mandate. We
ask for an agreement with the institution that has the mandate, and there is no cost for these agreements. The purpose of these agreements is to work out a win-win solution to find a way for the underlying journals in which academics choose to publish to
be sustainable even if there are high posting rates. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">With kind wishes,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:gray">Twitter: @wisealic</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
<a href="mailto:goal-bounces@eprints.org" target="_blank">goal-bounces@eprints.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:goal-bounces@eprints.org" target="_blank">goal-bounces@eprints.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Peter Murray-Rust<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 19, 2012 7:23 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [GOAL] Why should publishers agree to Green OA?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I have some simple questions about Green OA. I don't know the answers.<o:p></o:p></p>
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* is there any *contractual* relationship between a Green-publisher and any legal body? Or is Green simply a permission granted unilaterally by publishers when they feel like it, and withdrawable when they don't.<br>
* if Green starts impacting on publishers' revenues (and I understand this is part of the Green strategy - when we have 100% Green then publishers will have to change) what stops them simply withdrawing the permission? Or rationing it? Or any other anti-Green
measure<br>
* Do publishers receive any funding from anywhere for allowing Green? Green is extra work for them - why should they increase the amount they do?<br>
* Is there any body which regularly "negotiates" with publishers such as ACS, who categorically forbid Green for now and for ever.<br>
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Various publishers seem to indicate that they will allow Green as long as it's a relatively small percentage. But, as Stevan has noted, if your institution mandates Green, then Elsevier forbids it. So I cannot see why, if Green were to reach - say - 50%, the
publishers wouldn't simply ration it and prevent 100%. <br>
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Peter Murray-Rust<br>
Reader in Molecular Informatics<br>
Unilever Centre, Dep. Of Chemistry<br>
University of Cambridge<br>
CB2 1EW, UK<br>
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