<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Indeed. And 'open' doesn't mean 'yet closed for text-mining and re-use'.<div><br></div><div>Jan</div><div><br><div><div>On 9 May 2012, at 09:55, Sally Morris wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">
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[mailto:goal-bounces@eprints.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jan
Velterop<br><b>Sent:</b> 09 May 2012 09:13<br><b>To:</b> Global Open Access List
(Successor of AmSci)<br><b>Subject:</b> [GOAL] Re: Meaning of OA
Libre<br></font><br></div>
<div></div>I would favour doing away with both the terms 'libre OA' and 'gratis
OA'. Open Access suffices. It's the 'open' that says it all. Especially if it is
made clear that OA means BOAI-compliant OA in the context of scholarly research
literature.
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<div>On 9 May 2012, at 08:30, Peter Murray-Rust wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline">
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 10:25 PM, Stevan Harnad <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:amsciforum@gmail.com" target="_blank">amsciforum@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div class="im">On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 3:23 PM, Jan Velterop <<a href="mailto:velterop@gmail.com">velterop@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br><br>JV> So by all means, let legal measures play a role, but
not at the expense of lowering the bar to 'gratis' OA. If one believes in
mandates, then there is no reason why BOAI-compliant OA ('libre' in your
[SH] lingo) should not be mandated.<br><br></div></blockquote>
<div>I'd like to suggest that the term "libre OA" be dropped. "Gratis OA"
implies freedom for anyone to read the manuscript somewhere. "Libre OA" imlies
the "removal of some permission barriers" but neither says which or how many.
Since Gratis OA has already required the removal of one permission barrier
(the permission being granted to post on the web, permanently) it can be
argued that all Gratis OA is ipso facto Libre OA.<br><br>This renders the term
Unnecessary and confusiing, and allows many people and organizations to imply
they are granting rights and permissions beyond GratisOA when they are not. If
there are current examples where the use of "libreOA" plays a useful role it
would be useful to see them.<br><br>The only terms that make operational sense
and are clear are Gratis OA and BOAI-compliant OA . It is a pity that the
latter is a long phrase and maybe its usage will contract the phrase.<br><br>I
would be grateful for clear discourse on these definitions and the suggestion
of retiring "libreOA". <br><br>P.<br></div></div><br>-- <br>Peter
Murray-Rust<br>Reader in Molecular Informatics<br>Unilever Centre, Dep. Of
Chemistry<br>University of Cambridge<br>CB2 1EW,
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