[GOAL] Copyright: the immoveable barrier that open access advocates underestimated

[Hilton Gibson]

Fully agree with Jean!

*Hilton Gibson*
Stellenbosch University Library
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On 28 February 2017 at 16:51, Jean-Claude Guédon <
jean.claude.guedon at umontreal.ca> wrote:

> Paul can comment on this better than I, but my understanding is that the
> Liège model has now been extended to all French-speaking universities in
> Belgium through the application of the Liège rules to FNRS, the Walloon
> national funder.
>
> The second point that Richard Poynder does not seem to pick up at all (or
> is it simple journalistic scepticism?) is that, after a while, the Liège
> rules are more than accepted; they are largely embraced by the researchers.
>
> Finally, the attitude of OA advocates is not to identify the "typical",
> but rather the fruitful and forward looking. Liège is clearly in that
> latter category and this is why it finds itself the centre of fascinating
> discussions around Green OA. Kudos to both Bernard Rentier and Paul Thirion
> about this.
>
> Jean-Claude Guédon
>
>
> Le jeudi 23 février 2017 à 20:53 +0100, Paul THIRION a écrit :
>
>
>
> Le 23/02/17 à 15:53, Richard Poynder a écrit :
>
> I would be interested in further details of the survey you mention Paul.
> Have the details been published?
>
> No. It was only internal. But it could be fine to publish them. I just
> need time
>
>
> My suspicion is that ORBi and Liège are not typical so far as OA and
> institutional repositories are concerned.
>
> Richard Poynder
>
>
> On 23 February 2017 at 12:35, Paul THIRION <Paul.Thirion at ulg.ac.be> wrote:
>
> Dear Richard
>
> Maybe what you say  is not as general as you think. For example in my
> institution a recent large survey shows that 91% of researchers are
> "satisfied" or "very satisfied" by ORBi (our IR). +90 % add all or allmost
> all their publications on ORBi. For the deposits made in 2016, +65% of
> deposits with FT are OA. Last thing, recently it's the researchers
> themselves who asked to add Open Access as a key element in the strategic
> plan of the institution...
> Not sure we are the only one institution in the world where OA won the
> hearts and minds of most researchers :-)
>
> Best regards
>
> Le 22/02/17 à 09:17, Richard Poynder a écrit :
>
> In calling for research papers to be made freely available open access
> advocates promised that doing so would lead to a simpler, less costly, more
> democratic, and more effective scholarly communication system.
>
>
>
> However, while the OA movement has succeeded in persuading research
> institutions and funders of the merits of open access, it has failed to win
> the hearts and minds of most researchers.
>
>
>
> More importantly, it is not achieving its objectives. There are various
> reasons for this, but above all it is because OA advocates underestimated
> the extent to which copyright would subvert their cause.
>
>
>
> That is the argument I make in a recently-posted text on my blog, which
> can be accessed from this page: http://poynder.blogspot.co.uk/
> 2017/02/copyright-immoveable-barrier-that-open.html
>
>
>
> Richard Poynder
>
>
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