[GOAL] Copyright: the immoveable barrier that open access advocates underestimated

[Jean-Claude Guédon]

Paul can comment on this better than I, but my understanding is that
the Liège model has now been extended to all French-speaking
universities in Belgium through the application of the Liège rules to
FNRS, the Walloon national funder.
The second point that Richard Poynder does not seem to pick up at all
(or is it simple journalistic scepticism?) is that, after a while, the
Liège rules are more than accepted; they are largely embraced by the
researchers.
Finally, the attitude of OA advocates is not to identify the "typical",
but rather the fruitful and forward looking. Liège is clearly in that
latter category and this is why it finds itself the centre of
fascinating discussions around Green OA. Kudos to both Bernard Rentier
and Paul Thirion about this.
Jean-Claude Guédon
Le jeudi 23 février 2017 à 20:53 +0100, Paul THIRION a écrit :
> 
> 
> Le 23/02/17 à 15:53, Richard Poynder a écrit :
> > I would be interested in further details of the survey you mention
> > Paul. Have the details been published?
>  No. It was only internal. But it could be fine to publish them. I
> just need time
> > 
> > My suspicion is that ORBi and Liège are not typical so far as OA
> > and institutional repositories are concerned.
> > 
> > Richard Poynder
> > 
> > 
> > On 23 February 2017 at 12:35, Paul THIRION <Paul.Thirion at ulg.ac.be>
> > wrote:
> > > Dear Richard
> > > Maybe what you say  is not as general as you think. For example
> > > in my institution a recent large survey shows that 91% of
> > > researchers are "satisfied" or "very satisfied" by ORBi (our IR).
> > > +90 % add all or allmost all their publications on ORBi. For the
> > > deposits made in 2016, +65% of deposits with FT are OA. Last
> > > thing, recently it's the researchers themselves who asked to add
> > > Open Access as a key element in the strategic plan of the
> > > institution...
> > > Not sure we are the only one institution in the world where OA
> > > won the hearts and minds of most researchers :-)
> > > 
> > > Best regards
> > > 
> > > Le 22/02/17 à 09:17, Richard Poynder a écrit :
> > > > In calling for research papers to be made freely available open
> > > > access advocates promised that doing so would lead to a
> > > > simpler, less costly, more democratic, and more effective
> > > > scholarly communication system.
> > > >  
> > > > However, while the OA movement has succeeded in persuading
> > > > research institutions and funders of the merits of open access,
> > > > it has failed to win the hearts and minds of most researchers.
> > > >  
> > > > More importantly, it is not achieving its objectives. There are
> > > > various reasons for this, but above all it is because OA
> > > > advocates underestimated the extent to which copyright would
> > > > subvert their cause.
> > > >  
> > > > That is the argument I make in a recently-posted text on my
> > > > blog, which can be accessed from this page: http://poynder.blog
> > > > spot.co.uk/2017/02/copyright-immoveable-barrier-that-open.html
> > > >  
> > > > Richard Poynder
> > > >  
> > > > 
> > > > 
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