[GOAL] changing IR software
Stevan Harnad
harnad at ecs.soton.ac.uk
Mon Aug 15 09:41:55 BST 2016
> From:Antony Walter Corfield [awc]
> Sent: 09 August 2016 16:39
> To: JISC-REPOSITORIES at JISCMAIL.AC.UK <mailto:JISC-REPOSITORIES at jiscmail.ac.uk>
> Subject: Re: changing IR software
>
> The barrier to open access is not technology (most CRIS and IRs aren't that far
> apart in terms of their functionality), it's authors who sign away copyright to
> publishers! Unfortunately that bug is not easily fixed.
No, signing away copyright is not the barrier, and never was:
Failing to deposit the article is.
The bug is easily fixed: Either researchers just do the keystrokes
(and/or their institutions and funders mandate it).
Sale, A., Couture, M., Rodrigues, E., Carr, L. and Harnad, S. (2014) Open Access <http://eprints.ecs.soton.ac.uk/18511/>
Mandates and the "Fair Dealing" Button <http://eprints.ecs.soton.ac.uk/18511/>. In: Dynamic Fair Dealing: Creating
Canadian Culture Online (Rosemary J. Coombe & Darren Wershler, Eds.) http://eprints.ecs.soton.ac.uk/18511/ <http://eprints.ecs.soton.ac.uk/18511/>
Vincent-Lamarre, Philippe, Boivin, Jade, Gargouri, Yassine, Larivière, Vincent
and Harnad, Stevan (2016) Estimating Open Access Mandate Effectiveness: The <http://eprints.soton.ac.uk/370203/>
MELIBEA Score. <http://eprints.soton.ac.uk/370203/>Journal of the Association for Information Science and
Technology (JASIST) 67 http://eprints.soton.ac.uk/370203/ <http://eprints.soton.ac.uk/370203/>
“I don't think there is any doubt in anyone's mind as to what the optimal and inevitable
outcome of all this will be… The only question is: When? This piece is written in the
hope of wiping the potential smirk off Posterity's face by persuading the academic
cavalry, now that they have been led to the waters of self-archiving, that they should just
go ahead and drink!”
[Harnad, S. (1999) Free at Last: The Future of Peer-Reviewed <http://www.dlib.org/dlib/december99/12harnad.html>Journals <http://www.dlib.org/dlib/december99/12harnad.html>.
D-Lib 5(12) December 1999 http://cogprints.org/1685/ <http://cogprints.org/1685/>]
Stevan Harnad
> On 9 Aug 2016, at 15:37, David Kane wrote:
>
>
> Hi Alicia,
>
> I am not in the business of throwing shade on a company of bright, hardworking people. That would be mean-minded. We are here because we share the same concerns. Though I have no particular issue with Elsevier, it is possible for companies abuse privileged market positions, and it is rational for people on this list to be aware of that possibility.
>
> The question I personally have is who do we entrust with the ever growing sum of human knowledge – for the next thousand years. We need to ask how best we shoulder that sacred responsibility, for generations hence. This is particularly difficult because, in our culture, thinking does not generally extend beyond the quarterly profit statement or the 5-year term of public office, and technology becomes obsolete so very quickly.
>
> I don’t have the roadmap, but you must start with the right question to get the right answers.
>
> My Best,
>
> David.
>
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> From: Wise, Alicia (ELS-OXF) <mailto:A.Wise at ELSEVIER.COM>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 1:51 PM
> To: JISC-REPOSITORIES at JISCMAIL.AC.UK <mailto:JISC-REPOSITORIES at JISCMAIL.AC.UK>
> Subject: Re: changing IR software
>
> Hi George,
>
> Open access is a great thing – I was actively supporting it while working at the JISC long before I joined Elsevier to do the same. While I don’t think it is correct to say that our company has single handedly inspired the global OA movement, would that in fact be a bad thing? Elsevier:
>
> · actively engages with and supports OA in all its forms: gold, green, platinum, data, etc.
> · actively supports researchers and research institutions and research funders, and it is in this context we provide an array of services to support the research lifecycle (including scholarly comms).
> · has highly professional and skilled business/system analysts, AND we also engage with and listen to others in the research community.
> · is actively engaged in initiatives that support the development of and interoperability with repositories.
>
> I don’t want to take up listserv space with what might be perceived as marketing messages, but very happy to share additional information about any and all of this offline. And happy to talk with anyone at any time about partnerships and projects to advance open access. We’ll achieve open science further and faster by working together!
>
> With kind wishes,
> Alicia
>
> Dr Alicia Wise
> Director of Access and Policy
> Elsevier I The Boulevard I Langford Lane I Kidlington I Oxford I OX5 1GB
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> From: Repositories discussion list [mailto:JISC-REPOSITORIES at JISCMAIL.AC.UK <mailto:JISC-REPOSITORIES at JISCMAIL.AC.UK>] On Behalf Of George Macgregor
> Sent: 09 August 2016 08:34
> To: JISC-REPOSITORIES at JISCMAIL.AC.UK <mailto:JISC-REPOSITORIES at JISCMAIL.AC.UK>
> Subject: Re: changing IR software
>
> Hello all - I was a little guarded in my previous response but I would like to echo David's comments and offer some personal views. Leaving aside the usual repository arguments for maintaining an IR in tandem with a CRIS, the philosophical arguments increasingly appear far more persuasive. Some of these were rehearsed by PASTEUR4OA recently (http://bit.ly/2b5eo92 <http://bit.ly/2b5eo92>). I think institutions need to be asking themselves if they want to use a system such as PURE controlled by a company that:
>
> * Single handily inspired the global Open Access movement?
> * Has always vehemently opposed Open Access?
> * Has recently acquired SSRN and other "open" services (allegedly) for the purposes of controlling the scholarly communications lifecycle?
> * Has been accused of allegedly purging SSRN of supposedly "illegal" open content?
> * Uses user group and working group mechanisms as a substitute for dedicated business and system analysts. In essence, staff time of people like me and you being used to make a proprietary system better which Elsevier then sells back to public research organisations?
> * Appears not to value the development of repository functionality or interoperability with the systems that are central to repositories or Open Access?
>
> Thankfully we elected to maintain our IR (although I still harbour concerns about its relationship with PURE). But if I were an institution surveying the landscape as it is now, I would be exercising extreme caution before considering some of these tools as a substitute for an open source repository platform. As David notes, “open access is a consonant with the open source philosophy”!
>
> Regards
>
> George
>
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> From: Repositories discussion list [mailto:JISC-REPOSITORIES at JISCMAIL.AC.UK <mailto:JISC-REPOSITORIES at JISCMAIL.AC.UK>] On Behalf Of Bev Jones
> Sent: 09 August 2016 13:06
> To: JISC-REPOSITORIES at JISCMAIL.AC.UK <mailto:JISC-REPOSITORIES at JISCMAIL.AC.UK>
> Subject: Re: changing IR software
>
> Dear List,
>
> Agreeing with you David; as there are standards for repositories (I’ve linked to the TRAC checklist and Neil Jacob’s blog about Jisc’s work on this just as examples), it should be straightforward to compare the part of a CRIS which purports to perform this role against the criteria. Governance and accountability might be areas where there is variance.
>
> https://scholarlycommunications.jiscinvolve.org/wp/2016/05/31/what-is-a-repository/ <https://scholarlycommunications.jiscinvolve.org/wp/2016/05/31/what-is-a-repository/>
> http://www.crl.edu/sites/default/files/d6/attachments/pages/trac_0.pdf <http://www.crl.edu/sites/default/files/d6/attachments/pages/trac_0.pdf>
>
>
> Many thanks,
> Bev Jones!
> Research Repository and Information Officer
> University of Lincoln Library x6721
>
>
>
>
> From: Repositories discussion list [mailto:JISC-REPOSITORIES at JISCMAIL.AC.UK <mailto:JISC-REPOSITORIES at JISCMAIL.AC.UK>] On Behalf Of David Kane
> Sent: 09 August 2016 12:48
> To: JISC-REPOSITORIES at JISCMAIL.AC.UK <mailto:JISC-REPOSITORIES at JISCMAIL.AC.UK>
> Subject: Re: changing IR software
>
> Maintaining a separate repository may be a pain, but remember the core mission of a repository is open access and we must think about how best to support that mission. To me the open access idea is consonant with the open source philosophy, the unfettered advancement of human knowledge, and that old fashioned notion of liberty.
>
> I am wary of the involvement of powerful publishing concerns in the CRIS space who would promise to take away the ‘pain’ of managing a separate repository. I see a possible conflict of interest. Caveat emptor.
>
> David.
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> From: Bill Worthington <mailto:w.j.worthington at HERTS.AC.UK>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 10:09 AM
> To: JISC-REPOSITORIES at JISCMAIL.AC.UK <mailto:JISC-REPOSITORIES at JISCMAIL.AC.UK>
> Subject: Re: changing IR software
>
> Hi Melissa,
>
> At Herts we choose to maintain a separate repository too. We use Dspace. I would say its main advantage is that it is platform we control and can develop to suit new requirements as they come along. The downside is the connector from Pure, which has proven unreliable, is incomplete and very low on Elsevier’s priority (or that of the Pure working group, in terms of the number of people who use it).
>
> best wishes, Bill
>
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> From: Repositories discussion list <JISC-REPOSITORIES at JISCMAIL.AC.UK <mailto:JISC-REPOSITORIES at JISCMAIL.AC.UK>> on behalf of George Macgregor <george.macgregor at STRATH.AC.UK <mailto:george.macgregor at STRATH.AC.UK>>
> Reply-To: George Macgregor <george.macgregor at STRATH.AC.UK <mailto:george.macgregor at STRATH.AC.UK>>
> Date: Monday, 8 August 2016 at 13:42
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> Subject: Re: changing IR software
>
> Hello Melissa,
>
> This is a recurring question and one which was discussed on the UKCoRR list a few month ago. Nick Sheppard threw up a blog post summarising the discussions, which you might find useful: http://ukcorr.org/2015/11/27/cris-and-retirement-of-repositories/ <http://ukcorr.org/2015/11/27/cris-and-retirement-of-repositories/>
>
> At Strathclyde we have chosen to maintain EPrints in parallel with PURE, for many of the reasons given in the above blog post. This configuration is kept under constant review but, at time of writing, PURE offers limited repository functionality and/or compliance with the standards and protocols we require.
>
> Regards
>
> George
> --
> George Macgregor
> Information Services Directorate | University of Strathclydets
> Curran Building | 101 St James Road
> Glasgow G4 ONS
> Tel: 0141 548 3496
> Email: george.macgregor at strath.ac.uk <mailto:george.macgregor at strath.ac.uk>
> Web: http://personal.strath.ac.uk/george.macgregor/ <http://personal.strath.ac.uk/george.macgregor/>
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> From: Repositories discussion list [mailto:JISC-REPOSITORIES at JISCMAIL.AC.UK <mailto:JISC-REPOSITORIES at JISCMAIL.AC.UK>] On Behalf Of Melissa Cole
> Sent: 08 August 2016 12:16
> To: JISC-REPOSITORIES at JISCMAIL.AC.UK <mailto:JISC-REPOSITORIES at JISCMAIL.AC.UK>
> Subject: changing IR software
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> We are currently reviewing our institutional repository software as part of a larger CRIS system upgrade and wondered if anyone had changed their IR software or discontinued using their IR in preference for an integrated package like PURE.
>
> Regards,
> Melissa.
>
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