[GOAL] Re: Instistence by researchers that we do not make metadata

[Stevan Harnad]

1. HEFCE requires immediate deposit (not immediate OA). so it is not in
conflict with *Nature's* & *Science's* PR practices. (N has a 6-month
embargo
<http://www.sherpa.ac.uk/romeo/search.php?jtitle=nature&issn=0028-0836&zetocpub=Nature+Publishing+Group&romeopub=Nature+Publishing+Group&fIDnum=|&mode=simple&la=en&version=&source=journal&sourceid=4008>
on OA; S has none
<http://www.sherpa.ac.uk/romeo/search.php?jtitle=science&issn=0036-8075&zetocpub=American+Association+for+the+Advancement+of+Science&romeopub=American+Association+for+the+Advancement+of+Science&fIDnum=|&mode=simple&la=en&version=&source=journal&sourceid=11114>
.)

2. In any case, the 3-month grace-period would have been plenty of time for
N & S to do their PR even if the HEFCE rule had been immediate OA (which it
is not).

3. This "Ingelfinger Rule <http://cogprints.org/1703/>" (designed to
enhance paid circulation, not to enhance access) is a rule better honored
in the breach: Very, very little good scholarship or science is done via PR
rather than substance, especially in the online era.

SH

On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 8:20 AM, Clement-Stoneham Geraldine <
GERALDINE.CLEMENT-STONEHAM at headoffice.mrc.ac.uk> wrote:

> Danny,
>
>
>
> Some journals like to control the way information is being published about
> new papers, and therefore impose a strict press embargo period (another
> embargo, nothing to do with green OA embargo period). This sometime
> referred to as the “Ingelfinger rule” (
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingelfinger_rule).
>
>
>
> All of this is well orchestrated, with a press pack made available so that
> coverage is reflecting accurately the research, and is advertised to
> authors as the added value offered by the publishers if they chose to
> submit their paper to them. This explains why you often see papers
> published in Nature, or Science, all making the headlines of daily press on
> the same day. The downside of course is that they do act as “gagging
> orders”, which can make it tricky for researchers to talk about their
> research once the paper has been accepted, but not yet published (which can
> go for weeks/months).
>
>
>
> One of the issues with the HEFCE requirement to add article metadata to a
> repository at the acceptance stage, was that this could inadvertently
> breach such publishers’ embargo by release some (even if not much)
> information about the paper ahead of time. I believe this is what your
> researcher is concerned about. I am not sure that at this stage there is a
> way around it, but it would deserve a wider conversation. Less traditional
> journals such as eLife have deliberately done away with such embargo, and
> indeed encourage authors to discuss their research as soon as they wish,
> which seems to be better aligned with “open science” principles.
>
>
>
> You’ll find more details for the journal you named here
>
>
>
> http://www.nature.com/authors/policies/embargo.html
>
> http://www.nejm.org/page/author-center/embargo
>
> http://www.cell.com/cell/authors#prepub
>
>
>
> and eLife’s policy
>
> http://elifesciences.org/elife-news/authors-the-media-and-elife
>
>
>
> Best wishes
>
> Geraldine
>
>
>
>
>
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