[GOAL] Re: Inside Higher Ed: All six editors and all 31 editorial board members of Lingua resign over Elsevier
Bo-Christer Björk
bo-christer.bjork at hanken.fi
Fri Nov 13 16:30:21 GMT 2015
Hi,
It's ironical that Lingua very visibly on it's home page claims to
"support Open access" !! The price is 1800 USD excluding taxes, and a
few authors seem to have paid up.
Since all editors and editorial members have resigned the most effective
policy is for scholars in that field to stop submitting and reviewing
papers to the journal, this is more realistic than trying to influence
librarians around the globe.
Bo-Christer
On 11/13/15 5:44 PM, Jean-Claude Guédon wrote:
> Removing access simply means "stop subscribing". Libraries stop
> subscribing to journals all the time (in particular because they
> cannot pay for them).
>
> If stopping a subscription is equivalent to "book banning", then one
> can say anything in English (or any other language for that matter).
>
> And thank you to Stevan Harnad for using language correctly, as well
> as correctly underscoring the real meaning of my phrasing.
>
>
> Jean-Claude Guédon
> Professeur titulaire
> Littérature comparée
> Université de Montréal
>
>
> Le vendredi 13 novembre 2015 à 10:05 -0430, Jacinto Dávila a écrit :
>> Mr Beall, as usual, picks his words as hostile as possible to address
>> this OA community. Calling Jean-Claude Guedon a book banner is like
>> calling Nelson Mandela a criminal. It is just not true and it tries
>> to ride the waves of a very disturbing discussion. I am asking him to
>> show some respect or to leave this email list. And he can call me a
>> list banner if he wants.
>>
>> On 13 November 2015 at 09:37, Stevan Harnad <amsciforum at gmail.com
>> <mailto:amsciforum at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> "Remove Access" would of course be absurd, and completely
>> contrary to the spirit of OA (but that's not what J-CG meant).
>>
>>
>>
>> "Cease to Pay for Access," on the other hand, is a call for a
>> perfectly valid and longstanding judgment-call by library serial
>> acquisitions committees, in consultation with their user
>> community, as to how they spend their serials budget.
>>
>>
>>
>> The valuable historical service Jeffery Beall is providing by
>> warning about scam Gold OA journals (though it would be even more
>> useful if extended to all journals, whether OA or toll-access) is
>> compromised by his inexplicable hostility to OA itself and his
>> equally inexplicable fealty to subscription publishers and their
>> M.O.
>>
>>
>>
>> But calling an Open Access advocate the equivalent of a
>> book-banner takes the (vegan) cake...
>>
>>
>>
>> SH
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 6:54 AM, Beall, Jeffrey
>> <Jeffrey.Beall at ucdenver.edu <mailto:Jeffrey.Beall at ucdenver.edu>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I think that Guedon's advice to "Remove access to /Lingua/
>> going forward" is the moral equivalent of a book banning.
>>
>>
>>
>> There's no moral difference between saying "Remove access to
>> /Lingua/" and saying "Remove the book /Heather Has Two Mommies/."
>>
>>
>>
>> I understand that all book banners (and journal banners)
>> think they are doing the right thing and helping society.
>>
>>
>>
>> I think it is shameful for anyone, especially a librarian, to
>> call for the removal of content from a library.
>>
>>
>>
>> Guedon is the modern-day equivalent of a book banner. He is
>> pressuring libraries to ban serials, the same, morally, as
>> banning books.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jeffrey Beall
>>
>> University of Colorado Denver
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* goal-bounces at eprints.org
>> <mailto:goal-bounces at eprints.org>
>> [mailto:goal-bounces at eprints.org
>> <mailto:goal-bounces at eprints.org>] *On Behalf Of *Richard Poynder
>> *Sent:* Thursday, November 12, 2015 11:59 PM
>> *To:* 'Global Open Access List' <goal at eprints.org
>> <mailto:goal at eprints.org>>
>> *Subject:* [GOAL] Inside Higher Ed: All six editors and all
>> 31 editorial board members of Lingua resign over Elsevier
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *I am posting this message on behalf of Jean-Claude Guédon:*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> The article below (thanks to Colin Steele) is an example of a
>> courageous move that must be supported by the libraries.
>>
>> With regard to the /Lingua/ (now /Glossa/) editorial board,
>> libraries could, for example,
>>
>> 1. Remove access to/Lingua/ going forward (keep access to
>> archive up to December 31st, 2015) if caught in a Big Deal;
>> remove /Lingua/ from subscriptions, starting in 2016, if not
>> in a Big Deal
>>
>> 2. Support /Glossa/ (the new journal) financially,
>>
>> 3. Promote /Glossa/ widely. ERIH is already classifying the
>> new journal at the level of its current status by arguing
>> that the quality of a journal is linked to the editors and
>> editorial board, and not to the publisher.
>>
>> Researchers in linguistics, of course, should boycott
>> Elsevier's /Lingua/ from now on.
>>
>> This event also demonstrates the importance for Learned and
>> scientific societies not to sell the title of their journals
>> to publishers. So long as we foolishly evaluate research
>> according to the place where it is published (i.e. a journal
>> title), publishers will hold a strong trump card.
>>
>> Finally, this event displays the incredible behaviour of the
>> multinational, commercial, publishers with particular
>> clarity. These are not the friends of the scientific
>> communication system we need.
>>
>>
>>
>> >>
>>
>>
>>
>> Extract from /Inside Higher Ed/ article:
>>
>>
>>
>> “All six editors and all 31 editorial board members of
>> /Lingua/, one of the top journals in linguistics, last week
>> resigned to protest Elsevier's policies on pricing and its
>> refusal to convert the journal to an open-access publication
>> that would be free online. As soon as January, when the
>> departing editors' noncompete contracts expire, they plan to
>> start a new open-access journal to be called /Glossa/.”
>>
>>
>>
>> The article can be read in full here:
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2015/11/02/editors-and-editorial-board-quit-top-linguistics-journal-protest-subscription-fees
>>
>>
>>
>> For a list of some of the other coverage of this issue see
>> here: http://kaivonfintel.org/2015/11/05/lingua-roundup/
>>
>>
>>
>>
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