[GOAL] Re: Google Scholar's Anurag Acharya on Repository Indexability

Wed Jun 17 21:00:04 BST 2015

On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 10:37 AM, Joachim SCHOPFEL <
joachim.schopfel at univ-lille3.fr> wrote:

if you want to get commitmentfrom the scientific community, please stop
> telling that we are stupid ("they don't understand"), afraid and lazy. This
> is just the same speech that scientists are accustomed to hear from their
> governments and ministries. I am one of those scientists convinced that OA
> is good and important, following the green road more than the gold and
> opposed to APC; but I am also solidaire with my colleagues. They are
> neither stupid nor afraid or lazy, but their interests and motivations and
> opinions are different from yours. And if you want to convince them, you
> should not offend them/us.
>

My goodness, I don’t recall using the S-word on this occasion! (To the best
of my knowledge, I have not uttered it in the OA context ever since I was
forbidden to do so by Alma Swan, whom I always obey faithfully — and that
was quite a few years ago!)

As for being unafraid: I commend to colleagues’ attention the practice of
the heroic physics and mathematics community, who have been making their
papers accessible free for all (Green OA) in Arxiv for nearly a quarter
century now, without giving a single thought to publishers, contracts or
embargoes, and without needing a mandate from their institutions, funders,
governments or ministries to do it:
http://arxiv.org/stats/monthly_submissions

All researchers (regardless of their other interests, motivations and
opinions) want their papers to be accessible to all would-be users, not
just to those whose institutions can afford to subscribe to the journal in
which it was published.

If they nevertheless do not provide Green OA, there are only three possible
explanations: They do not understand OA, they are afraid of publisher
embargoes or they are too lazy to do the keystrokes: http://j.mp/keykoan

If I were prone to posting personal advice publicly to someone who was
“convinced that OA is good and important,” I would advise that they advise
their colleagues to provide it, rather than posting personal advice
publicly on how not to offend colleagues.

> *De: *"Stevan Harnad" <amsciforum at gmail.com>
> *À: *"Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)" <goal at eprints.org>
> *Envoyé: *Mercredi 17 Juin 2015 15:39:12
> *Objet: *[GOAL] Re: Google Scholar's Anurag Acharya on
> Repository        Indexability
>
> On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 9:09 AM, Wilhelmina Randtke <randtke at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Nope, this presentation doesn't mean that content is the only thing that
>> matters.
>>
>> The presentation gives specific ways to ensure repository content is
>> indexed in Google web search and in Google Scholar.  Some of this is for
>> developers, but lots of it is easy for a non technical person to do - like
>> making a sitemap available.  And, when something is easy to do in a popular
>> repository platform, the presentation notes that - like hey there's a
>> setting in Dspace to turn on a sitemap.
>>
>> Being easy to find matters and this has good info on that.  Has anyone
>> out there not been asked by a faculty member whether stuff in the
>> repository will show in Google Scholar?
>>
>> -Wilhelmina Randtke
>>
>
> Nope, I didn't say that (OA repository) content is the only thing that
> matters.
>
> But if the repository does not have the content, then content is indeed
> the only thing that matters.
>
> No matter how googleable your repository is, if it doesn't have the
> content, it won't be googled.
>
> Nope, the reason authors don't deposit their content is not because they
> are afraid that it won't be googleable.
>
> The reason is that (1) they don't understand OA, (2) they are afraid that
> it might be illegal to deposit, and (3) they are lazy:
> http://www.eprints.org/openaccess/self-faq/
>
> And yes, the only cure for this is effective OA mandates from the
> institutions and funders.
>
> Nope, that's not what the Anurag presentation was about (I didn't say it
> was). Anurag's presentation was about how to make repository content more
> googleable.
>
> I added the part that to make repository content googleable the content
> has to be in the repository -- and effective mandates are the way to make
> sure it is.
>
>
>> On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 7:18 AM, Stevan Harnad <amsciforum at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Most repository queries and referrals come from google scholar and
>>> google users. So it is crucial to get repository contents well indexed by
>>> google.
>>>
>>> Here are some tips from Google Scholar's Anurag Acharya:
>>>
>>> http://www.or2015.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/or-2015-anurag-google-scholar.pdf
>>>
>>> This is a good occasion to repeat also an important fact about Open
>>> Access Repositories:
>>>
>>> OA Repositories' problem is not lack of searchability or of indexability
>>> or of search/index tools and services.
>>>
>>> Their problem is *lack of OA content.*
>>>
>>> The cure is *effective OA mandates* -- not waiting for better
>>> search/index tools.
>>>
>>> Vincent-Lamarre, Philippe, Boivin, Jade, Gargouri, Yassine, Larivière,
>>> Vincent and Harnad, Stevan (2015) Estimating Open Access Mandate
>>> Effectiveness: I. The MELIBEA Score.
>>> <http://eprints.soton.ac.uk/370203/> (JASIST, in press)
>>> http://eprints.soton.ac.uk/370203/
>>>
>>> Swan, Alma; Gargouri, Yassine; Hunt, Megan; & Harnad, Stevan (2015) *Open
>>> Access Policy: Numbers, Analysis, Effectiveness*. Pasteur4OA
>>> Workpackage 3 Report. http://eprints.soton.ac.uk/375854/
>>>
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