[GOAL] Re: "Let them pay or let them wait"

[Richard Poynder]

God forbid that I should find myself defending a for-profit publisher, and
God forbid that I should charge anyone with speaking with a forked tongue,
but I cannot help but think that OA advocates sometimes allow their animus
towards Elsevier (and its employees) to get the better of their good wisdom.

I also cannot help but point out that on a separate mailing Jean-Claude
Guédon has been arguing that "flipping" subscription journals to OA models
is as valid a way of achieving open access as self-archiving. Yet, flipping
subscription journals will in the long run benefit legacy publishers like
Elsevier far more than it will ever benefit the research community. 

That aside, I am not aware that Alicia Wise has ever been anything other
than polite to members of this list. It does not show open access in a good
light that every time she posts to the list her comments generate the kind
of response we see below.

Richard Poynder


-----Original Message-----
From: goal-bounces at eprints.org [mailto:goal-bounces at eprints.org] On Behalf
Of Guédon Jean-Claude
Sent: 24 December 2015 17:32
To: Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci) <goal at eprints.org>
Subject: [GOAL] Re: "Let them pay or let them wait"

Hear! Hear!

Alicia Wise always speaks with a forked tongue! I wonder how much she is
paid to practise this dubious art.

Self-archiving as described by Stevan is the right way to go.

Happy holidays to all those exploited by Elsevier!

Jean-Claude Guédon


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De : goal-bounces at eprints.org [goal-bounces at eprints.org] de la part de
Stevan Harnad [amsciforum at gmail.com] Envoyé : mercredi 23 décembre 2015
08:18 À : Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci) Objet : [GOAL] "Let
them pay or let them wait"

On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 2:42 AM, Wise, Alicia (ELS-OXF)
<A.Wise at elsevier.com<mailto:A.Wise at elsevier.com>> wrote:
Hi Thomas -

All our authors, no matter where in the world they are, have both gold and
green Open Access publishing options.

With best wishes for a peaceful and relaxing holiday season,

Alicia
Elsevier Limited. Registered Office: The Boulevard, Langford Lane,
Kidlington, Oxford, OX5 1GB, United Kingdom, Registration No. 1982084,
Registered in England and Wales.

Translation of Alicia’s Xmas message:

"Let them pay (gold fees) or let them wait (green embargoes)."

I add only that they can (if they have any sense at all) completely ignore
all of Elsevier’s absurd, incoherent, and ever-changing
double-talk<http://openaccess.eprints.org/index.php?serendipity%5Baction%5D=
search&serendipity%5BsearchTerm%5D=systematic&serendipity%5BsearchButton%5D=
%3E> about green and make their refereed, revised final drafts green OA
immediately upon acceptance for  publication -- by self-archiving them.

With best wishes for a peaceful and relaxing holiday season,

Stevan

On 22 Dec 2015, at 17:39, Thomas Hervé Mboa Nkoudou
<thomasmboa at gmail.com<mailto:thomasmboa at gmail.com>> wrote:
On this post,

http://www.scidev.net/global/publishing/news/elsevier-african-open-access-jo
urnal.html,

Elsevier plans an African Open Journals, using the Gold voice. But for me,
it is not the right way for us (Africa).

I want all GOAL members to join me in an open letter adressed to Elsevier,
with the objective to claim the full green voice for Africa.

Since I am an African searcher, your support will be helpful


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